Special thanks to Faith, Fatty and Cyrus for creating this challenge for TheLakersNation.com. Again, if you guys have any suggestions, you want to throw at us, please e-mail us at Webmaster@TheLakersNation.com.
What if you had the key to Mitch’s office while he’s enjoying his “well deserved” vacation? You’d have the opportunity to sneak in his unoccupied office, make yourself comfortable in his leather armchair, and work his phones and computers to play the General Manager of the glamorous Los Angeles Lakers until he’s back from vacation on August 24. Most importantly, just ignore Jimmy Buss and do what you think is right.
You got one week to prove you’re better than Mr. Kupchak in improving the roster. Post your suggestions following these rules:
- Support your trade ideas with facts and why you think your proposal would help Lakers.
- Do not propose unrealistic trades such as Tim Duncan, D. Wade, Lebron James etc.
- All trades must comply with NBA and CBA trade regulations
- Do not trade Kobe Bryant.
- You are allowed to spend $5-Mil luxury tax.
- Staff and judges may not participate.
- Contest ends on August 23
Also, you may pretend that you’re the General Manager of the other team and counter or negotiate offers made by the Lakers fantasy GM. If you’re countering an offer made by other bloggers, please make sure you base your arguments on facts. To make a counter offer, please begin your posts with words like this example:
“I am the GM of the Pacers and I am countering the trade offer of Fatty”
Judges, Faith, Fatty, Cyrus and LakersFan81 will evaluate all proposal and a winner will be announced on August 24th.
Winner will receive a certificate of appreciation: “The General Manager of the Month” honored by TheLakersNation.com.
Here are a few websites you can use as reference…
A -For player’s stats:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/
B - Team salaries and salary caps and trade regulations:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
http://realgm.com/src_gm_resources.php
C - Trade calculators and trade machines:
Mitch Kupchak on AM 570
Is Mitch Kupchak Really to Blame?
Catching Up with Mitch Kupchak: Part I
Kupchak runner-up as NBA’s top executive
Kupchak can deal with it
So you want to be a GM? You think your better then Mitch? Do a good job, make the Lakers a contender, and I will get you lunch with the good Doctor himself. Make the Lakers into a lottery contender and we will let everyone know you need to go back to GM school. lol
Let’s see what you got……we’re waiting.
I just make sum trades.
how do we show you the trades we made
rpouncy14 - Go for it, have some fun. We promise not to be too hard on you.
Leave your proposals on the board. We’ll get back to you later. I’m going to Quickie Mart for a squishy.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~3002~125&teams=7~7~13&te=&cash=
lakers trade kwame brown and jordan farmar for marcus camby and so that gives us a beast in the middle
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=617~1016~2421~25~61&teams=23~23~23~13~13&te=&cash=
lakers trade vlad, sasah, and lamar for mike bibby and ron artest so this trade gives us a great point guard and a devensive foward
the last move is that lakes sign chris webber for the inside scoring and his great passing he can do
the lakers team looks like this
Guard-biiby/fisher/crittenton
Shooting guard-Kobe/Evans/Carl
Small Foward-Ron Artest/Luke Walton
Power Foward-Chris Webber/Brian Cook/Ronny Turiaf
Center-Marcus Camby/Andrew Bynum/Chris Mihm
Now this for sure is a championship team they have all the right players on the team. they have a good pointguard and SG plus a 2 devensive players and a great player that is a perfect fit for the triangle.
All the trades i made were good for bot teams to.
This is funny. Do you know how much crap trades you will have to read through. Most of the people on this site have no Idea of how the business side of basketball works. That is why they keep writing stuff like “Mitch get it done” when making trades for O’neil. They fail to realize that the other team has to agree to it too.
[quote comment="12113"]how do we show you the trades we made[/quote]
Here in the comments.
Chris Paul and Peja Stojackovic for Vlad and kwame
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~1016~2779~813&teams=3~3~13~13&te=&cash=
Gives us another great PG and a hot 3 point specialist to replace vlad
OK heres a trade that might actually work. Two problems with it, but it might be worth trying.
http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/
The Lakers have two big needs (an a lot of little ones). One of them is a big man. Not necessarily one that will score but one that is a monster on the boards like Rodman was. Not sure how to fix that problem so I tried to fix the other big problem: a wing defender in the form of Hidayet Turkoglu.
I remember reading a while ago that Turkoglu was being considered in trades, but I am not 100% sure if he is actually available or what Orlando would want in return. But because they gave Lewis a ridiculously large contract that he does not deserve, they could not resign Milicic so they need some front court help. Thus they get Shelden Williams or Lorenzen wright from Atlanta and a PG in Anthony Johnson. They also get a shooter and an expiring contract in Vujacic. Atlanta has an overload at two positions. PF and PG. They also need shooters. SO they get Vlad for a PG and PF that they do not need.
A couple problems with this trade. One is that Vlad had such a bad year last year that his value is almost zero, but he is a good shooter so a team that needs a shooter might be interested. Maybe the Lakers could throw in a draft pick to sweeten the deal for Atlanta. The other problem is that, like a stated earlier, I am not sure that Turkoglu is actually available.
oops…
that link does not work. So i will write out the trade.
Lakers send: Vlad Radmonovich to ATl (and a draft pick if necessary), and Sasha Vujacic to Orlando. Get: Turkoglu from Orlando.
Orlando Send: Turkoglu to the Lakers. Get Anthony Johnson and Sheldon Williams (or Lorenzen Wright) from Atl.
Atlanta Send Anthon Johnson and Sheldon Williams to Orlando. Get Vlad Rad ( draft pick?) from Lakers.
http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/
I BELIEVE THIS WILL MEET YOUR NEEDS QUITE PERFECTLY!
trade andrew bynum,kwame brown,sasha vujacic,vladimir romanvic,brian cook,2009 1st round pick for jermaine oneal,ike diogu
trade lamar odom,maurice evans,2011 first round pick for john salmons,lamar odom,2nd round pick
sign chris webber to a vet min
use 5 mill luxury tax for sasha palovic
pg:derek fisher/javaris crittenton/jordan farmar
sg:kobe bryant/sasha palovic/coby carl
sf:ron artest/john salmons
pf:jermaine oneal/ronny turiaf/ike diogu
c:chris mihm/chris webber
I did this on a website. Almost every team had a gm, and everyone made trades. I was the lakers and heres what happened. It was before fisher was released, so he was aquired in a trade with the Jazz. I basically aquired baron davis from gs for a package centered around odom. I then moved a package centered around baron and bynum for tmac. Then I made a deal involving tmac for boozer and fisher. I resigned mihm, turiaf, and walton. I drafted Arron Afflalo and signed Ryan Hollins. Now, thats where that ended. Heres what’d i’d do from that point on. Assuming the fact fisher was signed and didnt need to be traded for, i could have also aquired matt harpring. Send kwame along with next years 1st rd pick for maggette. Then using our mle sign webber along with dee brown. The roster looks like:
PG - Fisher/Farmar/Dee Brown
SG - Kobe/Evans/Afflalo
SF - Walton/Maggette/Harpring
PF - Boozer/Turiaf
C - Mihm/Webber/Ryan Hollins
Now, heres why i think it will be successful. At point, theres not a better fit than Fish. He knows the triangle, is friends with kobe, and will be a great mentor for farmar. Why dee brown? He showed some signs in the playoffs last year he could be good plus with fisher and his daughter his availablity is always uncertain so it is a must we have 3 pgs. Kobe is kobe, mo evans is a great role player. Afflalo is a pretty good offensive player and is a great defender who could guard the 1, 2, or 3 position. He has showed he is clutch and always wants to win. Walton is key to our offensive, maggette could provide a spark off the bench. Him and walton would battle it out in training camp for the starting spot, but until maggette proves something he’s on the bench. Boozer is key. He will be that 2nd force behind kobe. When kobe is being doubled, he is the killer. He is the low post presence to open it up for kobe, and also fisher and walton on the 3 point arc. Turiaf is o so important, he’s the energizer bunny. Same case with mihm and webber as with walton and maggette, battling it out for starter but until webber proves something, he’s on the bench. Webber could fit the triangle nicely and give us a little more offense and defense. Hollins is just for insurance at the center spot, as with mihm and webber injuries are likely.
FYI vlad and sasha were moved in trades for tmac and baron davis.
That leaves us with a 14 man roster, so room for someone like karl. All salaries work.
I know I am not a judge but I have to point a few things out.
[quote post="879"]Chris Paul and Peja Stojackovic for Vlad and kwame[/quote]
There is absolutely no way in hell that will ever happen might as well trade kwame and Vlad for Tim duncan.
[quote post="879"]rade andrew bynum,kwame brown,sasha vujacic,vladimir romanvic,brian cook,2009 1st round pick for jermaine oneal,ike diogu
trade lamar odom,maurice evans,2011 first round pick for john salmons,lamar odom,2nd round pick
sign chris webber to a vet min
use 5 mill luxury tax for sasha palovic[/quote]
Couple of things here.
1. you cant use luxury tax to sighn a player. The Lakers only have about 1M left to sign players out of their MLE since they used it on Fisher.
2. Indiana will not trade Ike Diogu. If their season is going really bad they may trade O’neil for Bynum, Kwame and fillers but they wil lnot send Diogu along with him. And that trade in the middle makes no sense. You have the Lakers getting Lamar Odom?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~1998~3002~2421~25~61~3000~2184~881~933&teams=23~23~14~14~13~14~13~23~13~23&te=&cash=
but try to get JO first
Lakerfan81,
I am always impressed by your knowledge, if OK with you, I will add you to the panel of judges. As a judge you may counter offers as the GM of opposing team. But please write the name of the GM on top your comments,
Like this:
This Larry Bird responding to “the name of the person offering a trade” trade offer
Please support your trade proposals with some facts and why you think your trade idea will help Lakers. Thank you
Cyrus.. I can do that, At least I can help out a little bit.
Thank You.
sorry cyrus
ok
here
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~1998~3002~2421~25~61~3000~2184~881~933&teams=23~23~14~14~13~14~13~23~13~23&te=&cash=
starting lineup
PG- Derek FIsher/Java
SG-Kobe/ Mo evans
SF-Ron Artest/Luke Walton
PF-Lamar Odom/Turiaf
C-Andrew Bynum/ Chris MIhm
id do it cuz it helps our defense out, makes us one of the deepest teams, and appeases the Kob.
wasay24,
You proposal looks good and we will review it. And thank you for supporting your prop with some facts.
I added a link on the sidebar — Keep posting your proposals!
Can i do it again going in a different direction? Like have the one i did and another?
BringDFishBack,
Thank you for your proposal and supporting facts. It looks like you know what you’re talking about. However, as a judge, I would like to ask you to use one of the trade machines to show your proposed trades. It will make it easier on everybody. We will review it after you have added the trade machine links to you proposal. Thanks again.
Thuggishsteer,
Couple of things on your proposal:
Your link doesn’t work, it has happened to me before on realGM. try using the ESPN machine.
We would like you to support your trade ideas with some facts, just add a few lines and explain your trade idea and why you think it would help the Lakers. Thank you
BringDFishBack,
Do as many as you like, BUT mark your final proposal with words on top:
“MY FINAL PROPOSAL”
Thanks
truelakerfan32,
Thank you for your participation, but couple of things are missing in your post:
Run your proposal through one of the trade machines (ESPN is preferred) and support your ideas with some word why you think it would help the Lakers.
i forgot i got battier too, i knew i was missing a piece in the houston trade. Here’s what happens:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2748~3197~617~1016~2421~194~1703~306~976~532&teams=10~26~9~10~9~10~13~13~13~26&te=&cash=
then, this trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=306~3187~568&teams=8~26~26&te=&cash=
but the jazz our us, i had to use them because i was trading harpring. The original deal would actually be 5 teams, but it only lets you do 4.
then, because of the whole battier thing no need to do the kwame for maggette deal because we would be overloaded at sf. our lineup would be:
pg - fisher/farmar/dee brown
sg - kobe/mo evans/afflalo
sf - walton/battier
pf - booz/kwame/turiaf
c - mihm/webber/nazr/hollins
Thank you Nugget, That is exactly how I wanted it.
nvm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~61~3000~849~2750~615~3038~2748~3002~617~1016~207~2184~933&teams=13~14~11~14~23~13~23~11~11~11~11~23~23~23&te=&cash=
Ok so this trade can be seperated into different parts like the Miami deal for Bibby can be done after an Artest deal…
*Lakers give Sacromento future 1st cash, Miami gives Sacromento future 2nd*
*Abdul-Rahim can be switched in for Thomas*
Lakers-We get Artest JO at the cost of giving up Odom Bynum. However we also force Indy to take on Vlad’s contract by doing this but Indy does get rid of Daniel’s contract so that cancels it out. Artest and JO are two former DPOY canidates and JO is a former MVP canidate, both would help out on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor.
Pacers-They unload the contracts of JO Daniels and although get rid of two young pieces in Diogu and Williams they get back Bynum, Farmar, and Douby to replace them. They also get Radmanovic to replace Daniels.
Kings-They unload both Artest and Bibby so they’re essentially going into rebuilding mode. They get back a future 1st 2nd, Diogu and S. Williams as young talent, J. Williams as a 9 mil exp to run the point, and Haslem who is a nice roleplayer for the future. They also get a backup C in Doleac who has a 3 mil exp..
Heat-They lose Haslem but get back either Kenny Thomas or Shareef-Abdul Rahim to replace him, they also get Mike Bibby to go with D-Wade and Shaq.
LFTW,
Thank you for your elaborate 4 team proposal and thank you for supporting your ideas with some facts, that’s how it should be done. Th panel will review your trade proposal. Thanks again
BringDFishBack,
Thank you, your 5 team proposal looks good and it seems you put a lot of work in it. The only thing missing is the supporting fact why you think you proposal would help the Lakers. Please explain!
LiL_K,
Thank you for adding a line of explanation to your trade ideas, But I think when you make blockbuster trade involving 10 players. it needs a little more explanation than just saying it will give us defensive advantage and it helps Kobe. We need a few more words to support your 10 players trade.
[quote comment="12117"]This is funny. Do you know how much crap trades you will have to read through. Most of the people on this site have no Idea of how the business side of basketball works. That is why they keep writing stuff like “Mitch get it done” when making trades for O’neil. They fail to realize that the other team has to agree to it too.[/quote]
This is funny. Ive gone through all the post and NOT ONE seems realistic. I see a lot of bibby and artest trades, but theres no way kings are going to give them up for trash players and expiring contracts, at the very least include young talent.
BEC,
Thank you for reviewing proposals, but why don’t you make a realistic trade proposal? It’s easy to be critical but no so easy to suggest a solution.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~3002~25~1726&teams=23~23~13~13&te=&cash=23:13
If i was the Laker GM, I know one thing i would not do is stand pat. So what i would do, is trade Jordan Farmar, Kwame Brown, Cash, and a draft pick for Ron Artest and John Salmons. Being that the Maloofs will not do a move to benefit the lakers, maybe throw in another draft pick. It makes sense, Sacramento gets rid of their problem and salary. They get a decent big man in kwame brown who’s contract expires, and a young gun point guard with tremendous upside in Farmar, who can be the future, when they decide to part ways with bibby, whenever that may be. The Lakers huge need is in the middle. Being that Indiana is being so stubborn about it having to be Lamar and Bynum, we will have to stay with the line up of Fisher, Kobe, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, and Bynum. Then hope that the Pacers start off really slow, and then hopefully the Pacers will lower their asking price. But i Think the deal i mentioned improves the team, and gives us a chance to get out of the first round for the first time since 04.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~1031~2421~2427~308~3019~2377~2381&teams=9~4~4~4~13~13~13~13~9&te=&cash=9:13
with this trade, the lakers will receive al harrington, andris biedrins, Patrick O’ Bryant, and chris duhon.
so our line up will be
PG:
Derek Fisher/ Jordan Farmar/ Chris Duhon/ Javaris Crittenton (can never have too many point guars :P, and chris duhon and javaris crittenton can also become a secondary sg
SG:
Kobe Bryant/Chris Duhon/ Javaris Crittenton. Coby Karl
SF:
Lamar Odom/ Luke Walton/ Vladim Radmonivic
PF:
Al Harrington/ Ronny Turiaf/ Brian Cook
C:
Andris Biedrins/ Chris Mihm/ Patrick O’Bryant
I think the Lakers will do this trade because the Lakers get another option for Kobe, that can be a poor man’s Jermaine O’neal or Kevin Garnett, yet they keep lamar odom. As for loosing bynum, the lakers get two young and developing centers in Andris Biedrins, and Patrick O’bryant. And to end the deal, we get Chris Duhon, a good back up point guard who can shoot the ball, who is good defensively, and can also be a backup shooting guard on occasions.
Golden State will do this trade for Several reasons:
They get a very good Shooting Guard in Ben Gordon who is one of the best shooters, and will be a perfect fit for the fast break offense, plus an be a replacement to jason richardson
Kwame Brown can be a replacement for andris biedrins, a better post up game, more defense, and a fat expiring contract.
And golden state gets cash.
Chicago Will do this deal for several reasons
the first is andrew bynum. They will get a young post presence, who can block shots, and he is a developing center in the making that can replace ben wallace.
Chicago also gets Sasha Vujacic and Maurice Evans, which both are good defensively, both can shoot the lights out, and Mo Evans can give those “thunder slams” that will get the crowd going.
I hope this proposal is good, please give feedback.
gstoneballer,
Thank you for your proposal and your explanation. We will review it. Also, somebody from the panel may counter your prop.
raphaelr,
Thank you for your 3 team proposal and your explanation. We will review it. Also, somebody from the panel may counter your prop.
[quote comment="12151"]BringDFishBack,
Thank you, your 5 team proposal looks good and it seems you put a lot of work in it. The only thing missing is the supporting fact why you think you proposal would help the Lakers. Please explain![/quote]
I did that in my orginal proposal, i thought i just needed to add trade machine links?
but anyway, here it is again
Hres why i think it will be successful. At point, theres not a better fit than Fish. He knows the triangle, is friends with kobe, and will be a great mentor for farmar. Farmar should stay because he is a great understudy for fisher and has some starts under his belt should fish have to miss a few games. He also has high bball iq and already knows the triangle better than most on the team. Why dee brown? He showed some signs in the playoffs last year he could be good plus with fisher and his daughter his availablity is always uncertain so it is a must we have 3 pgs. Kobe is kobe, mo evans is a great role player. Afflalo is a pretty good offensive player and is a great defender who could guard the 1, 2, or 3 position. He has shown he is clutch and always wants to win. Afflalo has all the qualities of kobe, offensive talent, great defender, clutch, and always wants to win. Walton is key to our offense becuase he knows the triangle and has shown a lot of improvement as of late. Battier, well who wouldn’t want this guy on your team? He’s a class act, a great defender and is a guy for kobe to kick it too for a 3. Him and walton would battle it out in training camp for the starting spot, but until he proves something he’s on the bench. Boozer is key. He will be that 2nd force behind kobe. When kobe is being doubled, he is the killer. He is the low post presence to open it up for kobe, and also fisher, walton, and battier on the 3 point arc. Turiaf is o so important, he’s the energizer bunny. Kwame is bascially a body in the middle taking up space till his contract is up next year. Same case with mihm and webber as with walton and battier, battling it out for starter but until webber proves something, he’s on the bench. Webber could fit the triangle nicely and give us a little more offense and defense. Nazr and Hollins are just for insurance at the center spot, as with mihm and webber injuries are likely.
Thanks BringDFishBack, Your proposal is completed and will be reviewed by the panel. Also, a panel member may counter your prop, we”ll see.
Couple of things:
First the more teams involved in a trade the less likely the trade is. For example the proposal from bringbackderekfisher which included five teams is not very likely because it includes five teams. This is not fantasy basketball. It would almost be impossible to get that many teams to agree to a trade. The simpler a trade is the more likely it is too happen.
Now a couple of counter offers.
Wasay24:
[quote post="879"]akers trade kwame brown and jordan farmar for marcus camby and so that gives us a beast in the middle[/quote]
until you offer something close to Camby’s talent in return he is not on the table.
[quote post="879"]akers trade vlad, sasah, and lamar for mike bibby and ron artest so this trade gives us a great point guard and a devensive foward[/quote]
speaking as the kings: We do not want to trade within our own division unless it is an offer we can not refuse. If we consider moving Those two players we will require young talent and capspace.
Gstoneballer: We have no interest in moving Ron Artest for Kwame and Farmar to a division rival.
truelakerfan32: Larry bird speaking: We do not wish to move JO at this time unless we are getting equal value in return. We are building a team around him. We will take Odom, Bynum, Critt, 2008 1strnd pick for JO, but nothing less.
Ok i have a few more but my wife is getting a little upset because I had to go into the lab today to finish a couple of experiments and now I’m on the computer.
Announcement:
lakerfan81 is a member of the panel now and he may respond to your props.
LakerFan81,
Here is a name list of all NBA GMs:
http://www.hoopshype.com/general_manager.htm
Or can simply say: I am the GM of…..
Whatever you’re comfortable with
Do we have to sign up for this or can we just start proposing trades? I’d like to join.
wasay24
This is the Denver FO.
I’m up here in the mile high city lookin down at your trade. You got me interested. We need to dump some salaries, but we still need a good team. We got AI and Melo, so we don’t really need any more scorers.
Camby is way better than Kwame, but farmar could be a nice addition, because he works cheap. We need another 3 point shooter. We are not too good at that. you got one you can spare, plus we need more than just Kwame. That guy needs velcro on his hands to catch the ball. Can we get a pick as well?
Denver GM
Lakerfan81,
If it’s not too much work, please respond to each prop individually. Like Fatty just did right now. Thank you
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~3002~2421~125&teams=7~7~7~13&te=&cash=
hows this trade fatty you said you wanted a shooter in the mix to so heres the trade lakers trade kwame brown jordan farmmar sasaha vujacic and a 2nd round pick for marcus camby
wasay24
Sacramento: Maloof
Have you heard of the palms casino in Vegas? I own it and I own the Kings along with my brother. First of all, why would I want to help you win a title? The Lakers are the dirtiest, filthiest, cheatingness team on the planet. They stole the game that took away our title. How much you pay those refs?
I’ll have my secretary give you a call if we even interested in talking to you.
Meanwhile. I got a strip show to go watch.
Maloof
Fatty, Lakersfan81,
I am leaving the site now and be back in couple of hours or less. Have fun and see you guys later.
wasay24
Denver FO
You dont mess around. You must be desperate for this trade. Maybe I should be asking for more? I’ll tell you what. I’m going to sleep on this for about 72 hours. I’ll get back to you. Hey Mitch, I thought you was on vacation?
Kobeisking
NO FO
Have you ever heard of Mardi Gras? Its where people get drunk and dance around naked. Are celebrating a little too early?
Why would we give up Chris for your loser boys? We talking Allstar here, maybe HOF. He not touchable. Now you’all talkin Kobe and we might gettoghter for some seafood gumbo.
But I’m sorry, I can’t help you.
To Lakers:
Yeah I Know Bynum/Farmar would be good in the near future but this 2 guyz wont be able to do what Artest can provide for us now….I remember once Ervin Johnson say we are 2 playerz away from competing, he said “we need a good player(D-Fish) and we need a great Player (Artest)”. Hey and for all those who say that Bynum is our Future, get over that! Kobe was supposed to be our future and the future is now. Why do you guyz want Bynum to be our future for? so the Lakerz can get 2 do the same to Bynum as they are doing to Kobe?
So I would Ship out Bynum,Sasha,Cook,Farmar for http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2748~1998~3002~2421~25&teams=23~23~23~23~13&te=&cash=
our line up would look like this…
Kwame/Mihm/Turiaf
Lamar/Radman/Turiaf
Artest/Luke
Kobe/Evans
Fisher/Javaris
we keep the core , some good backups!
check it!
Opponents PPG
Before Artest: 102.1
After Artest: 93.9
Kings PPG
Before Artest: 99.2
After Artest: 98.8
Yeah it went down a little, but not significantly.
Kings opponents scored over 100 points 24 times before Artest. After Artest, they did it 7 times.You didn’t get his best defense last year because a disc in his back got messed up like 8 games into the season. And the year before that, when he came here he breathed life back into the team. Kings sucked…badly. Then he showed up and improved everyone’s defense. He made the team hungry again and pretty much carried them into the playoffs. Everyone’s defense. You heard me. Ron Artest got Mike Bibby to play some D.
To Petrie: I know you guys are probably one of the fewest teams that are willing to rebuild if you get the right deal of course. So im gonna offer you 2 great prospects that can help you build a team around K-Mart and your other young talent. How about if I give you Bynum & Farmar with our 2 fillers(Cook,Sasha)? I know you guys probably hate us for what happend a few years back but you can’t put the blame on us.We were simply trying accoplish the same goal you guys were after, don’t forget this is a buisness first and with a line up of
C.Bynum
Pf.Hawes
Sf.Garcia
Sg.K-Mart
Pg.Farmar
wouldn’t hurt your future!!! and you guys would still have Bibby for cap space or for other young tallent, what ever you guys want to do! I think im giving you enought for a headcase so what do you say, you know bigs like Bynum don’t come around as often so leave me a msg with your anwser if you decline it then you tie up my hands so send me a msg with a yes or no, let’s not go around the bush!
lakerfan32
Larry Bird
I told you, NO JO unless we get LO. OK, maybe I can do the deal (ring - ring) Wait a second, I got Thorn on the line. I’ll get back to you later.
The ideal trade which is contingent on Bird stopping his damn attempts at ripping us with Lamar and Bynum:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=615~981~2748~3197~1031~2421&teams=13~11~11~11~11~11&te=&cash=11:13
JO for Bynum/Kwame/Critt or Farmar/Evans/Sasha and 2008 1st rounder, 2010 first rounder
Max cash compensation for the option of buying out Sasha’s contract. Expiring contracts and potential. It’s also sending him to a different conference. The package must be centered around Bynum as a Odom for JO is a downgrade for them. They are doing it on attempting to get back in the game at a later date with Bynum and a good point guard.
New lineup:
JO/Mihm/
Odom/Turiaf/Cook
Walton/Vlad/
Kobe/Coby?
Fisher/Farmar or Critt
Possible Phil type of experimental starting lineup:
Mihm
JO
Odom
Kobe
Fisher
Unlike the cake thrower who hangs around in lesbian bars with stone hands and has no jump shot, JO does and can play PF in the triangle.
Could use vet. minimum to get more backups like the Celtics are doing. Webber rings a bell. Shaw has a better chance of convincing him with JO on board. That would be good. Armstrong? Last legs but another vet for Phil and Kobe.
A great scenario after that is Cook, McKie sign and trade 1 year, 2nd round pick for Head and Sura. They’ve got a slew of point guards anyway. Sura’s gonna be gone too. Exchange McKie’s contract for his to make the trade work. This one’s reaching if Rockets don’t value Cook.
Stashed overseas: Gasol, Sun
No way Queens trade with us.
Memphis made moves that signal keeping Pau Gasol.
KG is wearing the dreaded green.
JO is the logical blockbuster to placate Kobe. They’ve known each other since they were teenagers and a trio of Kobe-JO-Lamar is needed to contend in the West.
If it all happened this way, awesome day!
G Funk
Maloof here
Looks interesting. Came you come on down to Vegas so we can talk about this a little more. And bring some dollar bills with you, I’m fresh out of ones.
By the way, if we were to do this deal, would you go on national TV and say the Lakers cheated us out of the title?
I haven’t gotten a response, but everyone else has
To:Mr.Maloof
hahaha! Actually right now Im kinda buzy, Im working on a deal that would bring Jo without parting with Lamar so I would apreciate it if we can maybe meet @ Morongo Casino, and ill bring you a few extra bucks!and no Im not interested in coming on any show saying such thing,Im would like to keep my/and the Lakers dignity, hope you understand!
raphaelr
You got me thinking. Somtimes in trade proposals, it takes time to analyze all the moves. Silence can sometimes be golden.
[quote comment="12184"]raphaelr
You got me thinking. Somtimes in trade proposals, it takes time to analyze all the moves. Silence can sometimes be golden.[/quote]
ok ok, I will wait, it is just I spent some time on that proposal, but I want a good anaylis or decision, and thank you for the quick response.
Rpoc,
That’s some serious stuff you are proposing. Two number ones? Maybe enough to bring the Birdman to his senses.
[quote comment="12186"]Rpoc,
That’s some serious stuff you are proposing. Two number ones? Maybe enough to bring the Birdman to his senses.[/quote]
If they’re willing to accept one #1, then even better. I’m putting 2 assuming Bird will be a hard ass. We still have the 2009 #1 and MLE to use to plug holes as long as the window is open.
Klewfish,
Just post your proposal here. no sign up required.
guys,
I gotta go and get some dinner. Hey, if Mitch can go on vacation during one of the most important summers in laker history, then I can go and get some mexican food. haha
Hasta luego, Fatty
Fatty
See you later, Don’t eat too much beans.haha
raphaelr
Paxson here: I am not one to take gambles. I drafted well and made some smart moves to get the young talent that I have now. It’s pretty windy in Chicago but I can still here the fans trying to have me lynched for moving Gordon for Bynum when I could have gotten Gasol last year. If you take sephalosha and Adrian Griffin instead of gordan than I would go for it.
Besides I am still waiting for Kobe to throw a tantrum and force a trade here.
GS FO: if were not getting Gordan than we are not interested either. Besides I am still bitter that we did not get Garnett so I don’t want to help any other team. Maybe we can get Richardson back
rpoc
larry bird (speaking out of my ass): I think we have a competitive team here in Indy. With a year more to build chemistry and if we remain healthy I think we can make the playoffs. We are building our team around JO. So unless you give us Odom, Bynum, Critt and a 1st rnd pick no deal. Actually if you sent me one of the championships Magic stole from me I would consider the deal.
can i get a reply to my offer from the gms of the teams i was trading with?
Alright here goes nothing
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~1998~3002~1002~557&teams=20~20~20~13~13&te=&cash=
TRADE 1
Lakers Trade KWAME BROWN, JORDAN FARMAR, BRIAN COOK to 76ers for ANDRE MILLER, STEPHEN HUNTER
Lakers do this to get a great PG that fits very well in the triangle, and another center to replace Kwame Brown. The Sixers do this to get a PG for the future to go along with their young core, a $9 mil exp K in Kwame, and another shooter to spread the floor in Brian Cook.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1724~883~617~1016&teams=13~13~8~8&te=&cash=
TRADE 2
Lakers Trade LAMAR ODOM, VLADAMIR RADMANOVIC, FUTURE 2nd ROUND PICK to Detroit for RASHEED WALLACE, TAYSHAUN PRINCE
Lakers do this to get two great defenders at the SF and PF position. Pippen has said himself that Prince reminds him the most of himself in the current league. They both have plenty of playoff experience to help the Lakers win a title. Detroit does this to get a versatile replacement for an aging Rasheed Wallace, and a versatile SF/PF in Vladamir Radmanovic to help add some size to their frontcourt with those two 6′ 10” players.
Lakers New Lineup:
Andre Miller/Derek Fisher/Javaris Crittenton
Kobe Bryant/Maurice Evans/Sasha Vujacic
Tayshaun Prince/Luke Walton
Rasheed Wallace/Chris Mihm/Ronny Turiaf
Andrew Bynum/Stephen Hunter/Chris Mihm
i know we need to make big moves to be a contender in the west http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=984~981&teams=13~3&te=&cash=3:13
kwame cash and 1st rd pick in 08 and 2010, Tyson chandler will be our answer will be our answer for the inside 2nd in the league last year, kwame gives NO a cap dumper they are young team they would have 10 mil in cap for next years free agency and 2 1st rd picks in next years draftthen we need another perimeter defender and shane battier would be that man with that shooting ability to and for vlad who was paid to much
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=976~1016&teams=13~10&te=&cash=
then we have depth off the bench in either luke or shane and our lineup is
pg-d-fish/critt/farmar
sg-kb24/sasha /coby
sf-luke/shane
pf-lamr/ronny/cook
c-chandler/bynum/mihm
BringDFishBack,
We will as soon as we get to it, your prop is very complicated and it involves five teams. Fatty took off for while and I am about to take off too. But we will get back you.
I gonna trade Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Radmanovic, & Andrew Bymun 4 Jermain O’Neal.
Da lineup is.
Mihm/Gasol
O’Neal/Turiaf/Posey(If they sign him)
Odom/Walton/Evans
Bryant/Sujacic/Yue
Fisher/Farmar/Critenton
Dat’s my lineup.
3-WAY Trade (LAL/IND/NJ):
LAL trades: ODOM, bynum, sasha, farmar, Brian Cook, V.Rad, Kwame, Maurice Evans, Aaron Mckie (S&T, 3 Million/one-year deal), a ‘08 1st round pick, and a ‘10 first round pick (or ‘08 & ‘09 second round picks)
LAL Recieves: JO, Jason Kidd, David Harrisonand Danny Granger
IND trades: J.O., Tinsley, David Harrison, and Danny Granger
IND Receives: ODOM, bynum, sasha, farmar, Brian Cook, Aaron Mckie, and a ‘08 first round pick
NJ Trades: Jamaal Tinsley, V.Rad, Kwame, Maurice evans, Rights to Sun Yue, and a ‘10 first round pick (or ‘08 & ‘09 second round picks)
~THAN SIGN CHRIS WEBBER for one million/one year, or a multiple year contract for a million a year if he prefers)!!!
Line Up:
Jason Kidd/D-fish/Javaris
Kobe/Coby Karl
Granger/Walton
JO/Webber/Turaif
Mihm/David Harrison
Reasons:
~LAL would do this because they will become a championship team and even if they don’t win in the playoffs, they will get the 2 players of Kobe’s choice. This will keep Kobe in purple and gold for life.
~NJ would do this because they get a younger point gaurd who isnt exactly Jason Kidd but can fill in quiet well and allow young Marcus to get some more playing time, a deeper bench with sasha and Maurice evans (who can back up Vince very well), an expiring contract to give them a lot of relief, rights to Sun Yue who was not disapointing in the summer league (some critics call him the “chinese majic”) and who is very versatile (he can play the 1, 2, and 3.), and finally they get a choice of a first round pick or two second round picks.
~IND gets a broderline ALL STAR, a promising young pg, a promising true center, a young pf who shoots 40% from beyond the arc, expiring contract (Mckie’s), a first round pick, and they get dump Jamaal Tinsley’s bad contract. This is great for them since they are rebuilding.
Salaries (most from hoopsworld.com):
Kidd- 19,728,000
JO- 19,710,000
Kobe- 19,490,625
D-Fish- 4,666,667 (aprox. b/c…a 3-year/$14 million contract.)
Mihm- 2,500,000 (aprox. i heard he signed 4mill/2year)
Granger- 1,516,800
Harrison-1,334,039
Javaris- 1,285,200
Webber- 1,000,000
Ronny- 770,610
Coby- 500,000 (aprox. i know its smaller than Ronny’s contract)
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$72,501,941
The Following is from Insidehoops.com:
The tax level for the 2007-08 season has been set at $67.865 million. Any team whose team salary exceeds that figure will pay a $1 tax for each $1 by which it exceeds $67.865 million.
The mid-level exception is $5.356 million for the 2007-08 season and the minimum team salary, which is set at 75% of the Salary Cap, is $41.723 million.
Salaray Cap:2007-08 $55.630 million
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I have to be under $72,865,000 ($67.865 million. 5 mil.)
…. the salaries came out to $72,501,941… which is less!!!
Attention all Fantasy GMs,
Most Panel members are in recess right now, please keep posting your trade ideas, we will review all complete trade proposals. keep them coming. Thanks
[quote comment="12157"]BEC,
Thank you for reviewing proposals, but why don’t you make a realistic trade proposal? It’s easy to be critical but no so easy to suggest a solution.[/quote]
Yes I will, Ok here goes, looking at players who are realistically on the trading block I propose this trade…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~1998~3197~2421~615&teams=11~11~11~11~11~13&te=&cash=
JO for Bynum/Brown/Sasha/Crit/Cook plus draft picks to sweeten deal
It works great for both sides, if Lakers want to win now and Pacers rebuild. Pacers get a really really really good rebuilding core in Bynum-C/Diogu-PF/Daniels or Dunleavy -SF/Granger -SG/Crit -PG. Am I the only one who thinks Bird should jump at this chance.?? Doesnt get better than that. By not trading JO NOW, JO wont be as good to contend when the young talent actually starts peaking and thats not good for Pacers. You need your core players to be at their best when you make a run for a title, JO doesnt fit this situation, by the time this team gets good JO wont be able to contribute like he can at the present moment thats why its best to get this young talent and build off that, when they get good then you can add vets.
Thats a really good lineup, solid at all 5 positions. All havent even scratched t