Comments on: Body Up http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/ The #1 Source For Everything Lakers Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:56:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: BEC http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14858 BEC Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:39:18 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14858 I think the biggest frustration Kobe has with this team is the lack of competiveness and intensity. Its frustrating to play your heart out every night, while everyone doesnt have the slightest of hearts to even put it on the line. This team can go far, even win a title, if they play consistently. Kobes that good to elevate his game enough to compensate for everyone else, but without consistentcy from other players, theres no point. And thats not happening anytime soon. Why is everyone threatening to the leave the Lakers? I understand the Kobe fans leaving if Kobe leaves, but why Laker fans? Its only been three bad years. Im guessing these fans started becoming fans in 99-00 when we won a title, because before that the last time weve won a title was in 1988. Thats twelve years, this is nothing compared to the 90's. The Lakers are the Lakers and basketball is still a beautiful sport to watch. Just enjoy the ride, we cant always be on top. Go LAKERS!!!!!!!! I think the biggest frustration Kobe has with this team is the lack of competiveness and intensity. Its frustrating to play your heart out every night, while everyone doesnt have the slightest of hearts to even put it on the line.
This team can go far, even win a title, if they play consistently. Kobes that good to elevate his game enough to compensate for everyone else, but without consistentcy from other players, theres no point. And thats not happening anytime soon.

Why is everyone threatening to the leave the Lakers?
I understand the Kobe fans leaving if Kobe leaves, but why Laker fans? Its only been three bad years. Im guessing these fans started becoming fans in 99-00 when we won a title, because before that the last time weve won a title was in 1988. Thats twelve years, this is nothing compared to the 90’s.

The Lakers are the Lakers and basketball is still a beautiful sport to watch. Just enjoy the ride, we cant always be on top. Go LAKERS!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Tim-4-Show http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14857 Tim-4-Show Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:37:29 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14857 Open Your Eyes: Jerry West Shaq Kobe Yet I'm supposed to believe the FO is NOT the problem? Open Your Eyes:
Jerry West
Shaq
Kobe

Yet I’m supposed to believe the FO is NOT the problem?

]]> By: ab4sure http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14855 ab4sure Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:30:55 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14855 [quote comment="14825"]Anyone that is backing Buss on this is an idiot. let me tell you why... do you know how many 7 footers with promise never develop and turn into lets say kwame brown? You can almost tell who is going to be a great player and who isn't. Bynum has a lazy attitude and no competive spirit at all. He is 100% finese and no physical play what-so-ever. when this whole mess is all said and done he will be lucky to be a backup in this league my guess is another kwame brown. For Buss not to pull the trigger on the kidd deal is insane. The lakers are on the downhill road to disaster whether they trade kobe or not...[/quote] He is already a starter in this league and his stats are already better than kwame's. He has great hands. He has worked his a-- off and you rarely find 7 ftrs. with his potential. Perhaps in the future we will be calling who ever wanted to trade bynum an idiot. by the way the soon to be 35 year old point guard Kidd just went to see the doctor for a bad back. [quote comment="14825"]Anyone that is backing Buss on this is an idiot. let me tell you why… do you know how many 7 footers with promise never develop and turn into lets say kwame brown? You can almost tell who is going to be a great player and who isn’t. Bynum has a lazy attitude and no competive spirit at all. He is 100% finese and no physical play what-so-ever. when this whole mess is all said and done he will be lucky to be a backup in this league my guess is another kwame brown. For Buss not to pull the trigger on the kidd deal is insane. The lakers are on the downhill road to disaster whether they trade kobe or not…[/quote]

He is already a starter in this league and his stats are already better than kwame’s. He has great hands. He has worked his a– off and you rarely find 7 ftrs. with his potential. Perhaps in the future we will be calling who ever wanted to trade bynum an idiot. by the way the soon to be 35 year old point guard Kidd just went to see the doctor for a bad back.

]]> By: ai http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14827 ai Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:40:05 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14827 No one said that Buss was innocent Klao, well at least for the timing. If Kobe wants to win then that is fine with everyone but not the way he expressed it. Trade requests were put for players to excercise their options and not to go out publicly and insult teammates and superiors. KB could have said that the FO did not do what they said they were going to do to justify his trade demand and nothing more (he said little more than that!). In any case, if so frustrated for not winning he can opt out and get it over with (Arenas is going to do that without all the drama). If you mean to tell me that Kobe wants to win more than anyone is the reason for all the fuss, you can take a look at Karl Malone for instance. The man did not win a ring (as oppose to 3) and was ever too close to win it and was denied twice by the immortal MJ & Scottie duo. After spending all that time, he never did insult anyone. He was dedicated to winning and dedicated to the team that he was on. In the end, Malone moved to a team he thought could win but again failed for the third time. I wonder, who wanted to win more Kobe or Karl Malone? Again, Kobe has a couple of options if he wants to win so bad, either to demand a trade and WAIT (like other players do) or WAIT until he can opt out. That is the professional way to deal with this situation if he really is a pro (that is off the court!). No one said that Buss was innocent Klao, well at least for the timing. If Kobe wants to win then that is fine with everyone but not the way he expressed it. Trade requests were put for players to excercise their options and not to go out publicly and insult teammates and superiors. KB could have said that the FO did not do what they said they were going to do to justify his trade demand and nothing more (he said little more than that!).

In any case, if so frustrated for not winning he can opt out and get it over with (Arenas is going to do that without all the drama). If you mean to tell me that Kobe wants to win more than anyone is the reason for all the fuss, you can take a look at Karl Malone for instance. The man did not win a ring (as oppose to 3) and was ever too close to win it and was denied twice by the immortal MJ & Scottie duo. After spending all that time, he never did insult anyone. He was dedicated to winning and dedicated to the team that he was on. In the end, Malone moved to a team he thought could win but again failed for the third time. I wonder, who wanted to win more Kobe or Karl Malone? Again, Kobe has a couple of options if he wants to win so bad, either to demand a trade and WAIT (like other players do) or WAIT until he can opt out. That is the professional way to deal with this situation if he really is a pro (that is off the court!).

]]> By: PHANTOM http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14825 PHANTOM Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:32:21 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14825 Anyone that is backing Buss on this is an idiot. let me tell you why... do you know how many 7 footers with promise never develop and turn into lets say kwame brown? You can almost tell who is going to be a great player and who isn't. Bynum has a lazy attitude and no competive spirit at all. He is 100% finese and no physical play what-so-ever. when this whole mess is all said and done he will be lucky to be a backup in this league my guess is another kwame brown. For Buss not to pull the trigger on the kidd deal is insane. The lakers are on the downhill road to disaster whether they trade kobe or not... Anyone that is backing Buss on this is an idiot. let me tell you why… do you know how many 7 footers with promise never develop and turn into lets say kwame brown? You can almost tell who is going to be a great player and who isn’t. Bynum has a lazy attitude and no competive spirit at all. He is 100% finese and no physical play what-so-ever. when this whole mess is all said and done he will be lucky to be a backup in this league my guess is another kwame brown. For Buss not to pull the trigger on the kidd deal is insane. The lakers are on the downhill road to disaster whether they trade kobe or not…

]]> By: E http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14824 E Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:27:58 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14824 Kobe has never recently stated that he wants to leave...everyone is just assuming that he wants to...its funny how so many people can sway so easily with what journalists from espn "claim is the most likely scenario"..they said garnett wouldnt go to the celtics, and two days later he's there...i absolutely agree with klao...watch dude, in a few months, when kobe's pulling the team through, they'll sway right back...i personally thought lakers fans were smarter than that, but apparently im incorrect...first of all, if u trade kobe, dont expect anything good to come out of it for the lakers...which leads me to my second point...as shady as buss can be, he wont trade for kobe unless he gets something good out of it...so dont expect kobe to leave anytime soon (and hopefully i wont be eating my words here)...lakers fans need to stop living in a fantasy and start getting more realistic...a few young "highly potential players" wont get you anywhere...esp if they come from the east..playing in the east is ten times easier than the west...so ppl like deng, gordon, wallace...dont expect them to fit into the lakers bcuz they never will...i say pay attention to the season and look at what u have now Kobe has never recently stated that he wants to leave…everyone is just assuming that he wants to…its funny how so many people can sway so easily with what journalists from espn “claim is the most likely scenario”..they said garnett wouldnt go to the celtics, and two days later he’s there…i absolutely agree with klao…watch dude, in a few months, when kobe’s pulling the team through, they’ll sway right back…i personally thought lakers fans were smarter than that, but apparently im incorrect…first of all, if u trade kobe, dont expect anything good to come out of it for the lakers…which leads me to my second point…as shady as buss can be, he wont trade for kobe unless he gets something good out of it…so dont expect kobe to leave anytime soon (and hopefully i wont be eating my words here)…lakers fans need to stop living in a fantasy and start getting more realistic…a few young “highly potential players” wont get you anywhere…esp if they come from the east..playing in the east is ten times easier than the west…so ppl like deng, gordon, wallace…dont expect them to fit into the lakers bcuz they never will…i say pay attention to the season and look at what u have now

]]> By: klao http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14822 klao Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:00:37 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14822 WOW!!! it is sad to read all this comments, the only thing kobe is guilty of is wanting a better team to win a championship. He tried to pressured the lakers, maybe the wrong way, but in the end it was for the lakers and US fans to have a winning team, and how does he get paid? the body is not even cold and people are already hating him, it's sad, but i guess it's just business. some of you have said that if kobe didn't want to stay after buss told him about the fans then he should leave. But do the fans bring championships? do you spend hours and hours working out? do you get blame for everything by the media and the fans?NO lets really be realistic here, it's about a better team, buss is willing to trade kobe instead of making a trade for better players and he's excuse is that kobe said no to the fans? how childish, but i guess if childish fans buy into blaming kobe then, it is what it is. blame shaq, blame kobe, the two ungrateful players. buss blamed kobe for shaq leaving, and know is blaming kobe for leaving and the fans are buying that? lets see what happens with this team, which i'm not a fan of anymore and not because of kobe, but because of the FO, i hate them now, and will not support a team that is not about winning anymore. Trading kobe has a bigger meaning, wanting to wait 5 to 6 years or even more to be contenders for a championship, i will not take that. and believe me the lakers will not get good value for kobe, and you will watch a team that no one cares about. i guess fans think like buss, no loyalty, at least respect what kobe gave you, some bad of course, some championships, some great games, some awesome memories, the great feeling of being a laker fan, at least be grateful to him. he's looking to winning a championship and i can't blame him for that, because i want that for my team, but if my team doesn't want that then it's time to move on, this lakers are not the great lakers. so before the body is cold, wait and see what happens. just remember that kobe showed to training camp, and said he would not be a distraction for this team, the team was having a great time in hawaii, then your buss opened his mouth, so don't blame kobe. kobe's comments were bad, but they were done in JUNE not in october, kobe at least has the sense to not be a distraction during the season, and he is a professional, and at least give him that. buss made a mistake to say what he said, and if none of the fans holds him accountable, the lakers will never be a great team again. stop blaming players, who only play and have no power of getting player, the OWNER is the one that needs to be blame here. When a player leaves it on the court, you need to look for someone else to blame. WOW!!! it is sad to read all this comments, the only thing kobe is guilty of is wanting a better team to win a championship. He tried to pressured the lakers, maybe the wrong way, but in the end it was for the lakers and US fans to have a winning team, and how does he get paid?

the body is not even cold and people are already hating him, it’s sad, but i guess it’s just business.

some of you have said that if kobe didn’t want to stay after buss told him about the fans then he should leave. But do the fans bring championships? do you spend hours and hours working out? do you get blame for everything by the media and the fans?NO

lets really be realistic here, it’s about a better team, buss is willing to trade kobe instead of making a trade for better players and he’s excuse is that kobe said no to the fans? how childish, but i guess if childish fans buy into blaming kobe then, it is what it is.

blame shaq, blame kobe, the two ungrateful players. buss blamed kobe for shaq leaving, and know is blaming kobe for leaving and the fans are buying that?

lets see what happens with this team, which i’m not a fan of anymore and not because of kobe, but because of the FO, i hate them now, and will not support a team that is not about winning anymore.

Trading kobe has a bigger meaning, wanting to wait 5 to 6 years or even more to be contenders for a championship, i will not take that.

and believe me the lakers will not get good value for kobe, and you will watch a team that no one cares about.

i guess fans think like buss, no loyalty, at least respect what kobe gave you, some bad of course, some championships, some great games, some awesome memories, the great feeling of being a laker fan, at least be grateful to him.

he’s looking to winning a championship and i can’t blame him for that, because i want that for my team, but if my team doesn’t want that then it’s time to move on, this lakers are not the great lakers.

so before the body is cold, wait and see what happens.

just remember that kobe showed to training camp, and said he would not be a distraction for this team, the team was having a great time in hawaii, then your buss opened his mouth, so don’t blame kobe.

kobe’s comments were bad, but they were done in JUNE not in october, kobe at least has the sense to not be a distraction during the season, and he is a professional, and at least give him that.

buss made a mistake to say what he said, and if none of the fans holds him accountable, the lakers will never be a great team again.

stop blaming players, who only play and have no power of getting player, the OWNER is the one that needs to be blame here. When a player leaves it on the court, you need to look for someone else to blame.

]]> By: fatty http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14817 fatty Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:21:48 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14817 "Kobe takes the High Road, is commended by PJ for doing it, but almost everyone else is taking the low road" - Fatty “Kobe takes the High Road, is commended by PJ for doing it, but almost everyone else is taking the low road”

- Fatty

]]> By: Showtime http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14793 Showtime Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:28:13 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14793 I agree with what you wrote there Davey Da. The most important point is that, I too, do not want to trade Bynum for Kidd. It is just like instant food. It will not take a long time for it to get cold (Before others get mad at me, that is my opinion nothing more). Anyway, I am sorry to have to say this but Kobe cares for nothing less than himself. Dr. Buss has tasted what its like to be betrayed by your spoiled kid. I agree with what you wrote there Davey Da. The most important point is that, I too, do not want to trade Bynum for Kidd. It is just like instant food. It will not take a long time for it to get cold (Before others get mad at me, that is my opinion nothing more). Anyway, I am sorry to have to say this but Kobe cares for nothing less than himself. Dr. Buss has tasted what its like to be betrayed by your spoiled kid.

]]> By: Edward http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2007/10/16/body-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14784 Edward Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:24:41 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1264#comment-14784 I'm not sure how this trade will make the team better... do we really need those players, or do we have all those spots filled. I mean with the addition of Ben Gordon... how many centers would we have? I mean... it seems we're just trying to get players that are "better" than what we have now, but we already have decent players at those positions... I'm not complaining though... Gordon and Deng... wow. But imagine Kobe playing for the Bulls next to Ben Gordon and Heinrich... did I spell that right? At any rate... I would love to see the greatest scorer once again in Chicago, if Kobe improved his team game, it'd really be reminiscent of MJ's days, but then again it might be too late for that. I think trading all those players would cripple both teams. I’m not sure how this trade will make the team better… do we really need those players, or do we have all those spots filled. I mean with the addition of Ben Gordon… how many centers would we have? I mean… it seems we’re just trying to get players that are “better” than what we have now, but we already have decent players at those positions… I’m not complaining though… Gordon and Deng… wow. But imagine Kobe playing for the Bulls next to Ben Gordon and Heinrich… did I spell that right? At any rate… I would love to see the greatest scorer once again in Chicago, if Kobe improved his team game, it’d really be reminiscent of MJ’s days, but then again it might be too late for that. I think trading all those players would cripple both teams.

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