Comments on: Revenge Game for Lakers http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/ The #1 Source For Everything Lakers Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:41:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Brett http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23981 Brett Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:42:44 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23981 O-dumb is a dong mouth. O-dumb is a dong mouth.

]]> By: LakersFirst (Change) (Close) http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23887 LakersFirst (Change) (Close) Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:20:20 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23887 [Comment ID #23848 Will Be Quoted Here] Van Gundy is saying that with Bynum down the Lakers probably won't make the playoffs BECAUSE the west is so tough. In the west if one team loses 2 games and they go from the top 3 to the 8th or 9th seed (look at Utah, if the playoffs started today, they are not even in there. I'm mentioning Utah because you've mentioned them in the past as a top team in the NBA). It's ridiculous how tough the West is. This makes losing Bynum and Ariza even worse for the Lakers because it disrupts how efficient the Lakers were playing prior to the injuries. The FO is really stuck between a rock and a hard place. When the team was healthy, they were winning games and playing together so well. Kobe, Bynum and other starters were not playing heavy minutes because the team was playing so well. Now they have a major injury to their starting center, who was playing like an "All-star" as they Van Gundy and Jackson stated today, and your backup small forward (not mention Radman and Mihm) are gone, so now they are having much more trouble winning games. Does the FO just allow the team to grind it out knowing that when the team was healthy, this was a good team that could contend with the other teams in the west? Or, do they make trades out of desperation to try to save this season (which personally I think isn't the way to make trades)? [Comment ID #23848 Will Be Quoted Here]

Van Gundy is saying that with Bynum down the Lakers probably won’t make the playoffs BECAUSE the west is so tough. In the west if one team loses 2 games and they go from the top 3 to the 8th or 9th seed (look at Utah, if the playoffs started today, they are not even in there. I’m mentioning Utah because you’ve mentioned them in the past as a top team in the NBA). It’s ridiculous how tough the West is. This makes losing Bynum and Ariza even worse for the Lakers because it disrupts how efficient the Lakers were playing prior to the injuries.

The FO is really stuck between a rock and a hard place. When the team was healthy, they were winning games and playing together so well. Kobe, Bynum and other starters were not playing heavy minutes because the team was playing so well.

Now they have a major injury to their starting center, who was playing like an “All-star” as they Van Gundy and Jackson stated today, and your backup small forward (not mention Radman and Mihm) are gone, so now they are having much more trouble winning games.

Does the FO just allow the team to grind it out knowing that when the team was healthy, this was a good team that could contend with the other teams in the west? Or, do they make trades out of desperation to try to save this season (which personally I think isn’t the way to make trades)?

]]> By: ab4sure http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23868 ab4sure Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:14:36 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23868 you don't read all my posts dub. you don’t read all my posts dub.

]]> By: T-Dub http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23866 T-Dub Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:13:25 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23866 ab...what?? you finally see Lamar for what he is???? ab…what?? you finally see Lamar for what he is????

]]> By: ab4sure http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23865 ab4sure Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:06:52 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23865 Well Lebron got the best of Kobe today. And he did it in the fourth quarter when they were going mano y mano. James showed he is not that bad of a defender when challenged and he also can make the clutch shot. What made the game bad though is the lakers lost. I thought we would win when Varejo and Igauskas were out of the game, but didn't happen. Lamar proved he is afraid of playing the game of basketball. He doesn't play well in crunch time especially on offense. Well Lebron got the best of Kobe today. And he did it in the fourth quarter when they were going mano y mano. James showed he is not that bad of a defender when challenged and he also can make the clutch shot. What made the game bad though is the lakers lost. I thought we would win when Varejo and Igauskas were out of the game, but didn’t happen. Lamar proved he is afraid of playing the game of basketball. He doesn’t play well in crunch time especially on offense.

]]> By: lakaluva http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23860 lakaluva Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:37:02 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23860 Keep your head up Laker family. Tough loss but we will bounce back. Its not our time to shine at this moment. Two straight years with disapointing injuries to key players. That which is causing us pain right now will only make us stronger in the years to come. Have faith in our FO, and have faith that the will of Laker fans around the world will come to fruition. The rest of the league is celebrating our failures at this moment, regardless to wether they are winning or not. They hate to see us win titles. But we have history and tradition on our side, and history has never lied. Going back to the early 50's, we have either been winning titles, losing titles, or preparing to go to titles. Right now we are preparing to go to MORE titles. No other sports organization can say that. Good luck to the team, and keep giving them hell Laker Family!!! PEACE... Keep your head up Laker family. Tough loss but we will bounce back. Its not our time to shine at this moment. Two straight years with disapointing injuries to key players. That which is causing us pain right now will only make us stronger in the years to come. Have faith in our FO, and have faith that the will of Laker fans around the world will come to fruition.

The rest of the league is celebrating our failures at this moment, regardless to wether they are winning or not. They hate to see us win titles. But we have history and tradition on our side, and history has never lied. Going back to the early 50’s, we have either been winning titles, losing titles, or preparing to go to titles. Right now we are preparing to go to MORE titles. No other sports organization can say that.

Good luck to the team, and keep giving them hell Laker Family!!! PEACE…

]]> By: LakersFirst (Change) (Close) http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23858 LakersFirst (Change) (Close) Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:12:54 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23858 [Comment ID #23856 Will Be Quoted Here] You think Artest would take $10M/year??? Try $12-$13M per year easy. Also, Artest already said where he wanted to go if he opted out and unfortunately L.A. was not one of those teams so acquiring him would still be a gamble that could leave the Lakers with possibly nothing to show for (well, you would've gotten rid of Odom's contract a year earlier but of course you would've lost Farmar to have him only come back to play L.A. with Kevin Martin to and light up the Lakers). Then again, I completely forgot, they don't need a point guard since they landed Beno Udrih. With regards to Kenny Thomas, there's a reason why he's not getting playing time under Theus, HE'S NOT VERY GOOD ANYMORE. Thomas' best years may be behind him as last year he only averaged 5 pts and 6 boards a game and that was not under Theus. Kenny Thomas' has two years left after this year ($7.9M next year and $8.5M the follwing year). You're trade isn't that bad but it increases the Lakers pay roll this year by $1M (Odom $13.5M + Farmar 1 = $14M < Artest $7.8M + $7.3 = $15M), and even next year. I say next year because you're going to have to resign Artest (something higher than $10M, I'm assuming $12M) and Sasha and Mihm are not DEFINITELY off the books next year. Sasha is a restricted free agent who I am assuming is going to take the Lakers qualifying offer and stay another year. Mihm has a player option to opt out at the end of season, but he won't probably won't do that because another team isn't going to sign him with him injured most of this year. Also, you want to resign Turiaf for $5M/year and sign yet another MLE (which is probably another $5/year). It was a good try though. In all honesty, I don't see the Kings making any trades with the Lakers. I see the Kings willing to let Artest walk and then making a play for Corey Maggette (SF) in the offseason. As of now, the Kings payroll for next year is $59M. Subtract Artest' $8.4M, should be opt out after this season and they are down to about $51M for next year, well under the salary cap and able to make a push for someone like a Maggette, to replace an Artest. [Comment ID #23856 Will Be Quoted Here]

You think Artest would take $10M/year??? Try $12-$13M per year easy. Also, Artest already said where he wanted to go if he opted out and unfortunately L.A. was not one of those teams so acquiring him would still be a gamble that could leave the Lakers with possibly nothing to show for (well, you would’ve gotten rid of Odom’s contract a year earlier but of course you would’ve lost Farmar to have him only come back to play L.A. with Kevin Martin to and light up the Lakers). Then again, I completely forgot, they don’t need a point guard since they landed Beno Udrih.

With regards to Kenny Thomas, there’s a reason why he’s not getting playing time under Theus, HE’S NOT VERY GOOD ANYMORE. Thomas’ best years may be behind him as last year he only averaged 5 pts and 6 boards a game and that was not under Theus. Kenny Thomas’ has two years left after this year ($7.9M next year and $8.5M the follwing year).

You’re trade isn’t that bad but it increases the Lakers pay roll this year by $1M (Odom $13.5M + Farmar 1 = $14M < Artest $7.8M + $7.3 = $15M), and even next year. I say next year because you’re going to have to resign Artest (something higher than $10M, I’m assuming $12M) and Sasha and Mihm are not DEFINITELY off the books next year. Sasha is a restricted free agent who I am assuming is going to take the Lakers qualifying offer and stay another year. Mihm has a player option to opt out at the end of season, but he won’t probably won’t do that because another team isn’t going to sign him with him injured most of this year. Also, you want to resign Turiaf for $5M/year and sign yet another MLE (which is probably another $5/year).

It was a good try though. In all honesty, I don’t see the Kings making any trades with the Lakers. I see the Kings willing to let Artest walk and then making a play for Corey Maggette (SF) in the offseason. As of now, the Kings payroll for next year is $59M. Subtract Artest’ $8.4M, should be opt out after this season and they are down to about $51M for next year, well under the salary cap and able to make a push for someone like a Maggette, to replace an Artest.

]]> By: T-Dub http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23857 T-Dub Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:39:38 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23857 We could try to keep Farmar and give them a 1st round pick instead...I think thats fair, Odom/1st rnd pick for Artest/Thomas. We could try to keep Farmar and give them a 1st round pick instead…I think thats fair, Odom/1st rnd pick for Artest/Thomas.

]]> By: T-Dub http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23856 T-Dub Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:22:53 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23856 Lakersfirst...if Artest came to LA, I'm sure he would agree to an extension...He's definitely worth 5yrs/10mil per. Kenny Thomas is not an impact PF but he's a descent backup..career 10pts/7reb...he's not getting playing time under Theus. With Bynum and Turiaf starting, we'll be fine...Draft another Bid or sign one to the midlevel except this summer. You can still re-sign Turiaf say 4yrs/20mil and Bynum 5yrs/50-60mil. Kenny Thomas will fall off the books by the time Bynums new contract kicks in; PG: Fish/Critt SG: Kobe/Ariza/Sasha/Karl SF: Artest/Walton/Vlad PF: Turiaf/Thomas/Vlad C : Bynum/Kwame/Mihm and you still have contracts droppin off the books: Kwame/Sasha/Mihm= about 13mil..... Lakersfirst…if Artest came to LA, I’m sure he would agree to an extension…He’s definitely worth 5yrs/10mil per. Kenny Thomas is not an impact PF but he’s a descent backup..career 10pts/7reb…he’s not getting playing time under Theus. With Bynum and Turiaf starting, we’ll be fine…Draft another Bid or sign one to the midlevel except this summer. You can still re-sign Turiaf say 4yrs/20mil and Bynum 5yrs/50-60mil. Kenny Thomas will fall off the books by the time Bynums new contract kicks in;

PG: Fish/Critt
SG: Kobe/Ariza/Sasha/Karl
SF: Artest/Walton/Vlad
PF: Turiaf/Thomas/Vlad
C : Bynum/Kwame/Mihm

and you still have contracts droppin off the books: Kwame/Sasha/Mihm= about 13mil…..

]]> By: LakersFirst (Change) (Close) http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/01/27/revenge-game-for-lakers/#comment-23852 LakersFirst (Change) (Close) Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:05:52 +0000 http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=1991#comment-23852 [Comment ID #23829 Will Be Quoted Here] Odom/Farmar for Artest/Kenny Thomas, You have some sort of desire for the Lakers to take on a player who the Lakers may lose at the end season (i.e. Artest because he can opt out of his contract) for a player that can play with the Lakers for several years because he is so young (i.e. Farmar). I don't see how that makes any sense. Furthermore, Artest has stated that he most likely will opt out of his contract for more money. Artest knows he's underpaid and wants a payday. Say the Lakers did give up Odom/Farmar for Artest/Thomas, Artest is still going to opt out for more money and say the Lakers decide to extend his contract and give him more money. The Lakers will now have invested heavily in three position but doing this would also make it very difficult for the Lakers to sign an impactful power forward (and no I don't count Kenny Thomas as impactful as he is averaging 1.4 pts and 2.7 boards a game this season). [Comment ID #23829 Will Be Quoted Here]

Odom/Farmar for Artest/Kenny Thomas, You have some sort of desire for the Lakers to take on a player who the Lakers may lose at the end season (i.e. Artest because he can opt out of his contract) for a player that can play with the Lakers for several years because he is so young (i.e. Farmar). I don’t see how that makes any sense. Furthermore, Artest has stated that he most likely will opt out of his contract for more money. Artest knows he’s underpaid and wants a payday.

Say the Lakers did give up Odom/Farmar for Artest/Thomas, Artest is still going to opt out for more money and say the Lakers decide to extend his contract and give him more money. The Lakers will now have invested heavily in three position but doing this would also make it very difficult for the Lakers to sign an impactful power forward (and no I don’t count Kenny Thomas as impactful as he is averaging 1.4 pts and 2.7 boards a game this season).

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