STAT BOY, your just asking the wrong question. Which stat is best not which list of players are best. Like I said when you compare the two stats a player’s efficiency is the better stat. A player can score alot of points but if he has to shoot 50 times to get 40 points that is not good. Your argument is stuck and it falls like a house of cards. Your not understanding the question and so you try to find a stat you think will when the argument. When you reach that way you lose. YOU REACH I TEACH!!! LOL you probably have heard that alot on the basketball court. Now STAT BOY, that reminds me of when you said on an earlier post when wade got beat by sasha. Wade reached and sasha teached there. Bad play by Wade and i believe you called that Lazy. That was a simple play and you did not know Why wade blew that. It certainly wasn’t because he was Lazy. Dumb yes Lazy NO. Are you following what I am saying? Just trying to teach you simple basketball.

Wow!!! you just can’t let go of LO. You continue to call him a “decent player” and still not finding those players with his stats of equal or better. Afraid you might look bad? Come on STAT BOY you can do it. Just look up any rebounders who avg. as much as LO and then go to assists then points. Tell me who has better numbers than LO.

Feel free to correct all grammar, spelling, and punctuation STAT BOY. I think your 5th grade teacher is watching and she is probably smiling. Well, I think she was a bit disappointed in you when you used the f-word earlier. I am surprized at you STAT BOY. Maybe you need some Life Boy Soap. LOL

LEADERFISH on March 14, 2008 at 9:45 am said:

STAT BOY, Your avoidance of the issues is both cowardly and weak. You continue to avoid the tough questions. Did you answer the question which player you would choose? The one with the most points or the one that was more efficient? I didn’t get your answer. Did you find the word ONLY yet? I didn’t get your answer. I don’t think PJ complements kobe when he gets 40 pts. on 12-38 shooting, do you? STAT BOY, we are talking about the best stat. Which stat is most important when measuring a player. When you put points and fg% against each other which is more important? You don’t compare two stats like you do by separating them in a list. You compare them together. Your are in college, right? Go take a speech class it will help you make consistent argument and do better comparisons. Again, your great at copying and pasting but use alittle intelligence. Stay focused. Don’t meander with your mind. Concentrate. Sounds like the words your 5th grade teacher said, right STAT BOY?

Again your dissing Riley??? You definitely are not a laker fan. Riley will want to win no matter what. He wants to win any game. He would want to beat you in checkers. Why don’t you read alittle bit about Riley in some of the books he has written. You obviously have not read any of them. Coaches don’t scout, but Gm’s do and therefore it is right that he does. You just have some desire to criticize Riley like you did Dwade.

Again, your understanding a basketball is limited STAT BOY. Team basketball is what the triangle is designed for and although kobe goes off the triangle and does is own thing STAT BOY PJ allows it. Within the triangle and when it is run right LO shows great value not just a “decent player”. How many players in the NBA would call LO a “decent player”? Probably not one but you do just that. Have you found the players in the league who have the stats/numbers that LO has? I never saw your answer on that one either. Your understanding of how the game is suppose to be played is sufficiently lacking. Also, PJ never called LO the second option. You need to stop listening to these small pundits. They distort your thinking STAT BOY.

Your comments about my mispelled words are true. Just like your stats STAT BOY, your spelling is great. I am sure your 5th grade teacher is smiling right now. Perhaps in the future I should double check my words before i press the submit button. Nawwh, why waste time.

STAT BOY, let me know what you have learned about the triangle offense and please share alittle bit of what you learned about Riley and what kind of coach he is. I look forward to your comments and glad to be teaching and helping STAT BOY. Don’t thank me either it has been a pleasure.

What have I avoided? I’ve answered every one of your f’n questions, you stupid sh*t. You’re just too stupid to realize it.

I answered your question about what “one” stat marks a great player (you asked me this in your original question). I said there is NO ONE STAT that marks a great player. It is combination of multiple things.

Then you changed your wording and asked me what is the “best” stat that marks a great player? You said fg% and I proved to you it was not. How did I prove you wrong? By providing hall of fame players that are all GREAT players that have shot a poor fg%. Again, I backed up my answer with FACTS! Here are the players again: Elgin Baylor, Rick Barry, AI (not yet in the hall of fame), Pete Maravich, Bob Cousy, even Bob Pettit who averaged 27 ppg (7th on the all time highest ppg in the NBA but didn’t have that great of a fg%).

I also provided a better stat, highest average ppg. It is a better stat because it can be applied to ALL players, unlike fg% where you even admitted that it can’t be applied to centers because they “play to close to the rim”. Power forwards also play close to the rim. How can fg% be the best stat when you can’t apply to it ALL players? Highest average ppg can be applied to ALL players regardless of position. Great players will consistently score regardless of what position they are playing. With this, I have proved that your thinking is flawed.

I then provided two lists of players (one list composed of the players with the highest fg% and those player who have averaged the highest ppg) to prove your opinion wrong. FG% is not the best stat.

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. What list has the greater players? I’m going to keep asking you this until you f’n answer the question. Here are the lists again:

Players with the highest fg% in the NBA:
1. Artis Gilmore
2. Mark West
3. Shaq
4. Steve Johnson
5. Darryl Dawkins
6. James Donaldson
7. Bo Outlaw
8. Jeff Ruland
9. Kareem
10. Bobby Jones
11. Kevin McHale

Players with the highest average ppg in the NBA:
1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Allen Iverson
4. Elgin Baylor
5. LeBron James
6. Jerry West
7. Bob Pettit
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Shaq
10. George Gervin
11. Karl Malone

Quit being a p*ssy and answer my question? And to say you don’t compare two stats by separating them is wrong. Very wrong! You’re proved you’re not highly educated. In fact, you’re an idiot. One list is composed of players with the highest fg% and the other is composed of players who have averaged the most ppg. We are discussing great players and the best stat to judge them, which list has the greater players?

I also answered your question about which player I would choose (you’re just too f’n stupid to see it). Again, I would choose the player that AVERAGES the highest ppg as the greater player because they can consistently score points like great players normally do. I’ll even back up my answer, Wilt Chamberlain scored 40 or more points 14 times and his average fg% is not in the top 11 in the NBA. I’m sure Phil didn’t mind when Kobe scored 40 or more points in nine consecutive games while averaging 40.6 ppg for the entire month of February 2003. As a matter of fact, I’m sure all Laker fans didn’t mind that as he helped the team win games like great players are supposed to.

I’ll answer your other question, what are more important, points or fg%. Points are, as points win games. Last time I checked, having the highest fg% doesn’t win you a game or a championship.

Again you prove your stupidity with your comments regarding Riley. Riley wants to win championships idiot, not just games here and there! He and the rest of the Heat know they aren’t winning a title this year, so by sending Riley out to scout games (probably the most expensive scout in NBA history), thus causing him to miss NBA games, they are demonstrating that they obviously don’t care if they win anymore games this season. A team that cares about winning games in a season doesn’t send their head coach to scout collegiate players and miss NBA games, even if the head coach is also the GM. That’s why GM’s hire scouts, so they can scout games.

Great team strategists look beyond winning games. They look to how they can win CHAMPIONSHIPS because that’s what it is all about. A team can go 82-0 but if they don’t win the championship, it means nothing. Riley and the Heat can care less if they win anymore games this season. Riley wants to rebuild his team so they can win championships, similar to the what the Laker organization and what true Laker fans want. We don’t just want to win games, we want to win championships, and you call yourself a Laker fan (you’re an embarrassment of a Laker fan if you don’t know this).

Didn’t’ I say in my last post that PJ allows the starters, not just Kobe, to play outside of the triangle offense? And Yes, I think other NBA players in the NBA would call LO just a decent player. Has LO ever been all-star? Do good players airball the last second shot (remember LO at the Detroit game last month)? Do good players miss free throws at the end of games that allow the other team to stay in the game (towards the end of the Dallas game, LO missed 3 of his last 4. At one point LO missed two free throws in a row where that could’ve iced the game but thank God for Kobe, Kobe got the offensive board). These are additional reasons why LO is just a decent player. I will say that LO is playing better since the acquisition of Gasol, but why did it take the acquisition of Gasol for LO to start playing consistently? Good players don’t need to rely on other players to play consistent.

You say that LO was not brought here to be a second option but I destroyed THIS opinion by providing you with multiple sources that say otherwise. You tried to dismiss them by calling them “small pundits”. Here is another link, this time to NBC sports (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22956916/). Note the following quote “And there are two other important cogs. One is Lamar Odom, also only 28, who has never been completely comfortable as the Second Option. Now with Gasol on the floor he can be the Third Option” Note the keywords here “SECOND OPTION” AND “THIRD OPTION”

And get your sh*t together little boy, I’m beyond college. I’ve graduated and have my Masters. Something you obviously won’t achieve. I have another question you can ask me. Why don’t you ask me “Would you fries with that?” because that’s the only job your meager intelligence can get. Go ahead ask me. Like your other questions I’ll answer it.

You have not backed up any of your opinions with one shred of fact. Whereas, I have backed all of my opinion with facts. I have even proved your opinions wrong by providing more facts. You have done nothing. Like I said last time, I know you’ve learned a lot from me. Don’t worry, you’ll get my bill of basketball 101 in the mail.

Again your dissing Riley??? You definitely are not a laker fan. Riley will want to win no matter what. He wants to win any game. He would want to beat you in checkers. Why don’t you read alittle bit about Riley in some of the books he has written. You obviously have not read any of them. Coaches don’t scout, but Gm’s do and therefore it is right that he does. You just have some desire to criticize Riley like you did Dwade.

Again, your understanding a basketball is limited STAT BOY. Team basketball is what the triangle is designed for and although kobe goes off the triangle and does is own thing STAT BOY PJ allows it. Within the triangle and when it is run right LO shows great value not just a “decent player”. How many players in the NBA would call LO a “decent player”? Probably not one but you do just that. Have you found the players in the league who have the stats/numbers that LO has? I never saw your answer on that one either. Your understanding of how the game is suppose to be played is sufficiently lacking. Also, PJ never called LO the second option. You need to stop listening to these small pundits. They distort your thinking STAT BOY.

Your comments about my mispelled words are true. Just like your stats STAT BOY, your spelling is great. I am sure your 5th grade teacher is smiling right now. Perhaps in the future I should double check my words before i press the submit button. Nawwh, why waste time.

STAT BOY, let me know what you have learned about the triangle offense and please share alittle bit of what you learned about Riley and what kind of coach he is. I look forward to your comments and glad to be teaching and helping STAT BOY. Don’t thank me either it has been a pleasure.

ab4sure on March 14, 2008 at 6:00 am said:

Its pathetic because you still accept a wrong viewpoint. I came back because that article knocked your argument down and i knew you would still believe wade’s injuries didn’t affect him. It shows your very stubborn and can’t even believe when the facts are right in front of you. THAT’S PATHETIC!!!!

Ok, Wade was injured this year, he was injured last year, he was injured in the playoffs of 04/05, and he missed 21 games in his rookie year due to injury. That’s 4 of his 5 years he’s suffered injuries. How long can the injury excuse continue to be used? One thing is for sure, Wade is like glass and seems to break every year.

LEADERFISH on March 13, 2008 at 10:34 am said:

STAT BOY IS TWISTING IN THE WIND. Again you say i said the fg% is the only stat. STAT BOY I said it is the best stat. Please show me where i used the word ONLY. You can’t because it is not there. Therefore since this is your premise what you say falls STAT BOY. Like a house of cards. You have no foundation to your argument. You need to take a speech class because when you want to make a good argument your premise must be correct.

Which player do you want? The player who shoots 10-20 in a game and scores 25 pts or the player who shoots 13-39 and scores 35 points? Obviously with your obsession with how many points are scored you would choose the chucker. Perhaps that is your style of play and you have a fondness for it, but just tell me which player would you choose?

Now STAT BOY you are now just a plane LIAR. Riley is not shutting wade down for a draft pick. It is due to injury. Riley would never tank games by shutting it down so the heat will get a higher draft pick. He has too much pride. He is scouting for who he is going to pick in the up coming draft. It is called being a GM. Why wouldn’t he do it? Haven’t you seen Jerry West or Mitch Kupchak at college games? You disgrace your laker fan creditials when you say that. You credibility is shot now you are just shooting blanks. Kind of like the players you admire who just shoot and aren’t productive. Lakerfirst, your making this too easy because you twist, turn, and backtrack on your statements. I don’t feel sorry for you. Your pathetic. IGNORANCE is acceptable but Liars aren’t.

It is obvious you being dismissive of LO’s value is rooted in not understanding team basketball STAT BOY. Your knowledge of the triangle and the value of LO in it shows your preoccupation with scoring stats STAT BOY. Your starting to look like the people who just want kobe to shoot all the time and forget about the results. The fact that you would copy and paste comments on another site about LO puts you up as a Loser.

STAT BOY I know you won’t admit your wrong and i don’t expect you to, but at least consider for the future more thinking when you bring your STAT knowledge. Facts without fair and intelligent analysis is actually worse than those with no facts at all. Something to remember don’t you think STAT BOY?

Again, you fail to answer any of my questions. Why is this? I called you out and specifically told you to answer my questions. Are you not answering my questions because if you do, you will be admitting you are WRONG! It’s alright little boy, we both know you are wrong.

Like the idiot that you are, you missed where I acknowledged that you changed your words and asked me what the BEST stat is that marks a great player. And I still proved that fg% is not the “best” stat by providing a better stat, highest average ppg. How did I prove it? By providing 2 lists of players (one list composed of players with the highest fg% in the NBA and the other list composed of players who have averaged the highest ppg). Why don’t you answer my question? Of the two lists of players that I’ve shown you, what list has the greater players? In case you forgot, here they are again;

Players with the highest fg% in the NBA:
1. Artis Gilmore 2. Mark West
3. Shaq 4. Steve Johnson
5. Darryl Dawkins 6. James Donaldson
7. Bo Outlaw 8. Jeff Ruland
9. Kareem 10. Bobby Jones
11. Kevin McHale

Players with the highest average ppg in the NBA:
1. Jordan 2. Wilt
3. Allen Iverson 4. Elgin Baylor
5. LeBron James 6. Jerry West
7. Bob Pettit 8. Oscar Robertson
9. Shaq 10. George Gervin
11. Karl Malone

Which group of players are better players? I have made a valid point (and you know I have), but you’re just too afraid to answer the question because you know you’re wrong.

Unlike you I’m not too chicken sh*t to answer your question. Which player will I choose? I will choose the player that averages 30+ points every night as the greater player. When you are averaging a ton of points per night, that is called being PRODUCTIVE, you idiot! Great players produce on a consistent basis. This another thing that makes them great (like I’ve stated from the beginner, there is no best stat for that marks a great player, a variety of stats and accomplishments make a great player).

It is obvious, like the dullard that you are, that you don’t know what the highest average ppg means. Highest average ppg means that for ALL the games the player has been in, that player has consistently averaged a lot of points. Like Jordan, Wilt, AI, Elgin, etc, these players have consistently scored a ton of points throughout their careers. Even though Elgin Baylor only shot 43% from the field, he averaged 27 ppg. As one of the greatest Laker players, I would gladly take him as he is an 11 time all-star, was rookie of the year, is in the hall of fame, and his jersey is retired by the Lakers.

Riley is shutting down Wade and going off to scout collegiate players because his team is already going to be in the lottery anyways (btw, learn how to spell idiot, the word you wanted to use is “plain” not “plane”, God you’re dumb). The Heat can’t tank anymore, they have the worst record in the league. The Heat don’t care if they win anymore games. With the worst record in the league, the probability of the Heat getting one of the top 4 draft picks is the highest.

Like I said, I know Riley is the GM, but he is also the head coach and the last time I checked the head coach just doesn’t get up and go scouting in the middle of an NBA season (it is very unusual). Because Riley is doing this, the Heat organization doesn’t care if they win anymore games. Because you are an idiot, you ignored the fact that I told you that GM’s hire scouts to scout players, particular collegiate players. Yes, GM’s will attend college games, but Riley is also the coach of the Heat, so with Riley going off to scout during Heat games, the Heat are apparently willing to sacrifice present day games in order to scout players for next year’s draft. What is it that you don’t understand ABOUT THIS??

It’s obvious that you are oblivious to the fact that LO has failed as the Laker option. It is also obvious that you know nothing about basketball because you don’t even know what a “centerpiece of a trade” is. Everything you say is making you sound dumber and dumber. You try to make it sound like you are knowledgeable of the triangle but you are not. You make it seem like in the triangle everyone scores equally, but this does not happen. Phil even admits that the Laker starters deviate from the triangle, whereas the Laker subs play within the triangle more consistently.

All teams in the NBA have first and second scoring options regardless of the offensive strategy. Kobe is the Lakers first scoring option and as the first option he sets the table for the other players. Do you deny this? (I don’t know why I continue to ask you questions, you’re such a p*ssy that you don’t answer them).

LO was expected to be the Lakers second option, (Kobe’s Scottie Pippen), but it didn’t work out. Why can’t you see this? Bynum stepped up as the Lakers second option but unfortunately he got hurt, so they traded for Gasol who fit in perfectly as the Lakers second option. If you can’t see that LO was thought to be the Lakers second option then maybe the following articles from the LakerNation will:

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=2263
Noticed what the author writes “Seemingly uncomfortable as No. 2 man in offense, the forward (LO) has flourished since Gasol’s arrival bumped him to No. 3.

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=2230
“Ever since Lamar came to the Lakers there have always been question marks on his game. Arguably one the most talented and versatile forwards in the game, he has been plagued with inconsistency as he was called on to play sidekick to Kobe Bryant. To that end he has been a disappointment, but with the ascension of Andrew Bynum his game began to flourish as our third option.”

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=2230
“While he can definitely put up solid numbers as our fourth/third option, at 14 million a year he is going to be very expensive for what he does, especially since his key strengths (rebounding, passing and mismatching) will be sort of a wash with Paul and Bynum on the team.”

My point in providing you these articles is for you to see and understand that LO was brought here to be a second option. With these articles, I’m not the only one that sees this.

Idiot, you again have provided no facts (NONE, ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING) and you’re giving me advice about thinking and analysis. That’s funny! You’re a dumb person, who the f*ck are you to give an advice. I mean it you are not smart. You have provided no evidence of any kind to back up your talk, unlike me who repeatedly provides fact with analysis. I should actually be charging you money because I’ve know you’ve learned a lot from me. Take your own advice idiot, when you state your opinion, back it up with the facts, like me.

ab4sure on March 13, 2008 at 8:05 am said:

LakersFirst on March 13, 2008 at 12:05 am said:

ab4sure on March 12, 2008 at 9:46 am said:

Wade is shooting 2% pts. less than last yr. and scoring 3 less pts. Kobe shooting percentage is going up. “Ohh Again let’s not look at the facts, it just doesn’t help with my preconcieved Bias”, signed lakerfirst.

You have lost all credibility……

Wait a second, I was using AB4Sure logic, if Kobe is shooting a high fg percentage then he can’t be hurt, right. Isn’t that what you insinuated? If Wade is shooting a fg% similar to Kobe, then how is Wade hurt? This is YOUR logic. I am merely applying it.

It is apparent that you don’t know much about mathematics. Much like I told that other idiot in here, to have an average decrease or increase is pretty difficult, because it’s an average. Even though a drop 3 points doesn’t seem like much, it is. I mean if a 3 point decrease is nothing, then according to you, LO’s increase of 2 to 3 pts per game since Gasol arrived is also nothing.

Also, if Wade is pretty much shooting the same fg% then he’s apparently shooting less because his points are down. That’s simple math. However, as the leader of the Miami Heat, Wade should know that if his team isn’t going to provide scoring, then he has to pick it up, just like Kobe and Lebron do (and I do hold Wade’s ability pretty high. I just didn’t see any drive this year. I even think I hold Wade in higher regard than you guys do).

At the end of the day, Wade is going to have an extra long offseason (longer than most players) to properly rehabilitate himself, which he didn’t do last offseason, so when he comes back next year, there should be no excuses pertaining to injuries. As the leader of the Heat, Wade needs to step up and lead his team, regardless of who’s on his team. This means, Wade needs to pick up the scoring when his team needs it and at times this means putting his team on his shoulders and carrying them to victory, much like Kobe and Lebron do. Wade is too good of a player to have his team win only 11 games. Teams with players as good as Wade SHOULD NOT have the worst record in the league and win only 11 games, that is unless that player is lacking drive.

You just don’t get it. Can’t take it when your wrong. It is a bit pathetic lakerfirst. Wade has a drop of 2 percent in shooting. Do you think his injuries and losing shooters to FA might have hurt??? Geez… Very pathetic… of course.. Kobe has actually had a slight increase in his shooting percentage since the injury. Do you think his pinky is affecting his shot??? Geez… Very pathetic … probably not.. learn to think logically.. please

You hold Wade in high regard??? lmao ….You have been proven wrong, you thought his injuries… his knee didn’t affect him… Riley knows it does and therefore shut him down for the season. Accept it and go on… you’ve lost credibility by trying to make you seem right.

If it’s so pathetic, why the do you keep coming back here and discussing this with me? The fact is Wade did not step up this year. All his numbers are down, even though you don’t think it’s a big deal. Wade is the leader and best player on the Miami team (Wade is one the best players in the league). When his team needs productivity, it his responsibility to deliver, just the way Kobe does for the Lakers when his teammates aren’t there and just the same as Lebron does when the Cavs need productivity. And yes, I hold the talents of Wade in the same light as Kobe and Lebron. I know Wade is fantastic player but he needed to step up this year but it didn’t happen.

I don’t think the fact that Wade lost some teammates to free agency is any excuse for his productivity being down. If the other Heat players aren’t playing up to par, then Wade should step up as the great player he can be. Moreover, Wade didn’t even shoot more this year. If his teammates aren’t playing well, why isn’t he shooting more and trying to get Heat points? Kobe too lost teammates to free agency and trades before the 04/05 season and his productivity increased the next two seasons until his team developed. Back then, Kobe was trying to lead his team to wins; Wade needs to do the same. Wade is too good of a player to not take over games and increase his productivity when his team needs it. As I said before, teams with players like Wade, should never finish with the worst record in the league with just 11 wins. I’m not saying Wade by himself is going to deliver a championship, but what I am saying is, the talent Wade has is enough to carry teams and not end up with the worst record in the league.

Again, Wade is going to have extra long off-season to rehab any injuries he didn’t rehab last year, so next year there should be no injury excuses with regards to Wade’s play. Wade should not have a better year and be a better team leader.

Which player do you want? The player who shoots 10-20 in a game and scores 25 pts or the player who shoots 13-39 and scores 35 points? Obviously with your obsession with how many points are scored you would choose the chucker. Perhaps that is your style of play and you have a fondness for it, but just tell me which player would you choose?

Now STAT BOY you are now just a plane LIAR. Riley is not shutting wade down for a draft pick. It is due to injury. Riley would never tank games by shutting it down so the heat will get a higher draft pick. He has too much pride. He is scouting for who he is going to pick in the up coming draft. It is called being a GM. Why wouldn’t he do it? Haven’t you seen Jerry West or Mitch Kupchak at college games? You disgrace your laker fan creditials when you say that. You credibility is shot now you are just shooting blanks. Kind of like the players you admire who just shoot and aren’t productive. Lakerfirst, your making this too easy because you twist, turn, and backtrack on your statements. I don’t feel sorry for you. Your pathetic. IGNORANCE is acceptable but Liars aren’t.

It is obvious you being dismissive of LO’s value is rooted in not understanding team basketball STAT BOY. Your knowledge of the triangle and the value of LO in it shows your preoccupation with scoring stats STAT BOY. Your starting to look like the people who just want kobe to shoot all the time and forget about the results. The fact that you would copy and paste comments on another site about LO puts you up as a Loser.

STAT BOY I know you won’t admit your wrong and i don’t expect you to, but at least consider for the future more thinking when you bring your STAT knowledge. Facts without fair and intelligent analysis is actually worse than those with no facts at all. Something to remember don’t you think STAT BOY?

LakersFirst on March 13, 2008 at 12:05 am said:

ab4sure on March 12, 2008 at 9:46 am said:

Wade is shooting 2% pts. less than last yr. and scoring 3 less pts. Kobe shooting percentage is going up. “Ohh Again let’s not look at the facts, it just doesn’t help with my preconcieved Bias”, signed lakerfirst.

You have lost all credibility……

Wait a second, I was using AB4Sure logic, if Kobe is shooting a high fg percentage then he can’t be hurt, right. Isn’t that what you insinuated? If Wade is shooting a fg% similar to Kobe, then how is Wade hurt? This is YOUR logic. I am merely applying it.

It is apparent that you don’t know much about mathematics. Much like I told that other idiot in here, to have an average decrease or increase is pretty difficult, because it’s an average. Even though a drop 3 points doesn’t seem like much, it is. I mean if a 3 point decrease is nothing, then according to you, LO’s increase of 2 to 3 pts per game since Gasol arrived is also nothing.

Also, if Wade is pretty much shooting the same fg% then he’s apparently shooting less because his points are down. That’s simple math. However, as the leader of the Miami Heat, Wade should know that if his team isn’t going to provide scoring, then he has to pick it up, just like Kobe and Lebron do (and I do hold Wade’s ability pretty high. I just didn’t see any drive this year. I even think I hold Wade in higher regard than you guys do).

At the end of the day, Wade is going to have an extra long offseason (longer than most players) to properly rehabilitate himself, which he didn’t do last offseason, so when he comes back next year, there should be no excuses pertaining to injuries. As the leader of the Heat, Wade needs to step up and lead his team, regardless of who’s on his team. This means, Wade needs to pick up the scoring when his team needs it and at times this means putting his team on his shoulders and carrying them to victory, much like Kobe and Lebron do. Wade is too good of a player to have his team win only 11 games. Teams with players as good as Wade SHOULD NOT have the worst record in the league and win only 11 games, that is unless that player is lacking drive.

You just don’t get it. Can’t take it when your wrong. It is a bit pathetic lakerfirst. Wade has a drop of 2 percent in shooting. Do you think his injuries and losing shooters to FA might have hurt??? Geez… Very pathetic… of course.. Kobe has actually had a slight increase in his shooting percentage since the injury. Do you think his pinky is affecting his shot??? Geez… Very pathetic … probably not.. learn to think logically.. please

You hold Wade in high regard??? lmao ….You have been proven wrong, you thought his injuries… his knee didn’t affect him… Riley knows it does and therefore shut him down for the season. Accept it and go on… you’ve lost credibility by trying to make you seem right.

LEADERFISH on March 12, 2008 at 4:55 pm said:

Twisting, twisting, twisting. Wow you really can’t help but twist words. I didn’t say the ONLY STAT I said the BEST STAT. You really hate getting schooled don’t you? Can’t blame you becuase you really took it on the chin with the question. You also took it on the chin with the Wade and LO argument. The best thing you can do now is pick yourself up and brush yourself off and live to fight another day. There will be other days so don’t worry, but at least save some self respect by not trying to make up a new argument to try to win. Dude, you remind me of a guy who loses and then says double or nothing. Don’t be that guy.

Great players don’t keep shooting if they shoot 40% for the game. They wouldn’t keep shooting, for one game everyone shoots below 40% but i am not talking about that.

IF A PLAYER SCORES 35 PTS. ON 50 SHOTS IS THAT GOOD? Of course not therefore pts scored do not Identify a player as a great player. One plus one equal two STAT BOY. As much as you like to rely on stats STAT BOY, they don’t tell the true story. Tell that to PJ. Tell him you think points scored are the true measure of a great player, he would laugh in your face STAT BOY.

Your right STAT BOY, KOBE did a great effort by trying to shoot all those times and score. For effort Kobe gets an A+ but it wasn’t a smart effort. He could have been more efficient. Just like you STAT BOY, I complement the effort your giving here. I give you an A+ for effort, but it is not a very smart effort which is why you got slammed. Not a pretty site. You will have other chances though STAT BOY so don’t worry.

Riley is the Gm. You didn’t know that? Of course he is going to scout players. What kind of IGNORAMUS ARE YOU STAT BOY?

As far as LO is concerned, you just can’t stop talking about him. Did you ever find a player with the balanced stats of LO? The FO did not trade Shaq for LO and say LO you are our 2nd option. In fact, I can guarantee you that PJ did not go up to LO and say you are our 2nd option. I know you don’t know much about the triangle, but it is an equal opportunity offense centered on attacking the weakest point of resistance. There is not a first option. Feel free to research that because you really lack knowledge of what the triangle is all about. Look up Tex Winter and you will find more things on the triangle. Also, STAT BOY, feel free to ask me any questions on the triangle. Glad to help.

Man, you really are dumb, aren’t you? I’m not even joking anymore, you really are absolutely clueless. You know nothing about basketball. You have got to be one of the dumbest people on this site. What’s even more amazing is that you actually think you are smart and you think you have made valid points. You have not backed up anything you have said with any type of fact, unlike me where I have backed up everything I have said with fact. I mean honestly, I feel sorry for you. It’s really bad! Do you realize you are this dense?

You keep saying that I am “twisting” words. I am quoting you verbatim, so there is no way to twist anything. You originally asked me, “Do you even know what makes a great player?”, and you said fg% (that was it, nothing more, nothing less). I then provided you with players that are great NBA players that do not have a high fg% percentage (Iverson, Elgin Baylor, Rick Barry, Pistol Pete). With the exception of AI, who will be in the hall of fame in the future, all the players I provided are hall of fame players, but you dismissed them. I’ll give you another chance. Do you acknowledge that these players are great players?

I then answered your question of what is the best stat, and I said if I am forced to choose one, then average points per game, is a better stat that fg%. Do you know what this stat means, because I don’t think you do? The stat, average points per game, means that for the players’ entire career, the player was CONSISTENT and a great scorer, which ultimately made him a great player.

I then provided you with two lists. The first being, players with the highest fg%. The second was the players who averaged the highest ppg. I don’t think you looked at these lists because you really didn’t comment on them. Let’s first look at the top 11 players who have the highest fg% in the NBA (take note, only 2 of these players are in the hall of fame):

1) Artis Gilmore 2) Mark West
2) Shaq 4) Steve Johnson
5) Darryl Dawkins 6) James Donaldson
7) Bo Outlaw Jeff Ruland
9) Kareem 10) Bobby Jones
11) Kevin McHale

Let’s now look at the top 11 players who AVERAGED the most ppg.

1) Jordan 2) Wilt
3) Allen Iverson 4) Elgin Baylor
5) LeBron James 6) Jerry West
7) Bob Pettit Oscar Robertson
9) Shaq 10) George Gervin
11) Karl Malone

Now I ask you (I want you to answer this question), when you compare the two lists, what list has the greater players on it (the one with the highest fg% or the one with the highest ppg)? If you want to keep referencing Phil Jackson, go ahead, what list of players do you think he would choose?

You’re saying that no great player would continue to shoot if they are shooting poorly. Well, Elgin Baylor, shot only 43% from the field and averaged 27.4 ppg over his career. Is Elgin Baylor a great player? Do you even know who Elgin Baylor is? I want you to answer these questions. You say I ignore your questions, but I don’t, and you answer very few of mine, so I am calling you’re a&& out and telling you to answer them.

Kobe did have a great effort by trying to carry the scoring burden of his team because that’s what great players do, when the team is struggling. Great players step up and score points! If Kobe had not stepped up and took over the scoring load, I think the Lakers would have lost many more games. Great players also do other things, such as rebound, get assists, show leadership, and are consistent. Remember I’m the one who said there is no best stat that marks a great player (it’s a combination of stats). You’re the one who is saying that the only stat that marks a great player is fg%.

Like the idiot you are, you don’t even realize that you totally backpedaled on the Riley topic (either that or your trying to hide it). You went from Riley would NEVER shut it down to scout draft picks to of course Riley is going scout players.

Your first said, “If you think P. Riley would ever shut it down for a draft pic you are sorely mistaken. P. Riley is a competitor and hates to lose.”

Then I provided you with a link to an article that revealed Riley is in fact attending college games to scout players. Then you said, “Yes Riley has waved the white flag (I thought he’s a competitor and hates to lose) the day he was smart enough to allow dwade to completely heal, not before as you suggested. NOT FOR A DRAFT PICK. Riley has too much pride.”

Then in the same article I sent you, it says , “Riley revealed plans last week to miss some games to scout players who may be entering this year’s NBA draft, an unusual move but one that the team obviously feels is important in its rebuilding plan.” Note the keywords “NBA draft”. He is scouting collegiate players for the NBA draft, but according to you, Riley has too much pride to do this.

This is just another example of you are not well-read which makes you dumb. This is also another example of how you refuse to acknowledge you’re wrong, just like you refuse to acknowledge that fg% is not the best stat to judge the greatness of a player (look at the two lists again).

And yes, I know Riley is the GM as well the head coach, however, GM’s usualy hire scouts to do scouting. For example, the Lakers hired Vlade Divac to be their international scout. GM’s also hire scouts to scout players at the collegiate level. For example, the Lakers made Rudy Tomjanovich a scout after he quit as their head coach. GM’s also send assistant coaches to do the scouting because the head coach needs to manage the progress of the team. However with Riley now focusing on scouting, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NBA SEASON, he has basically put aside coaching, which is fine because his team isn’t going anywhere. But, how often does it happen that the head coach of an NBA team, even though that coach is also the GM, decides to miss games in order to scout collegiate players in the middle of the season? According to the article I provided, it is “an unusual move”.

Of course the Lakers did not trade Shaq for LO straight up, nor did I ever suggest that. I said LO was the “centerpiece of the trade”. Do you know what a “centerpiece of a trade is? The centerpiece of a trade is the key value that the acquiring team is getting in the trade. Yes, there will be other components in the trade such as draft picks and other players (usually to make contracts match). A real world example is when Kidd and Malik Allen were traded to Dallas in exchange for Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop, Trenton Hassel, Maurice Ager, Keith Van Horn, a couple of 1st round draft picks and cash. Can you point out the centerpiece of this trade genius? For Dallas the centerpiece was Kidd. For NJ, the centerpiece was Devin Harris. This is very similar to how LO was the centerpiece of the trade for the Lakers and obviously Shaq was the centerpiece of the trade for the Heat.

Despite what you think, LO was brought here to be the second scoring option behind Kobe. LO was the best player Miami had at the time and was brought here to be the second option behind Kobe. Why do you think most everybody on this site and everyone in the media dogged LO when he wasn’t stepping up and scoring points and being a leader? If you don’t believe me, go believe the rest of the Laker fans (http://lakers.topbuzz.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-7459-postdays-0-postorder-asc.html).

And for you to say that there is no “first option” on the Lakers is completely ridiculous. Do you watch Laker games? Who is the player on the Lakers expected to take shots and score? That first option’s name is Kobe Bryant. As the first option he sets the table for everyone else. Who is now the second scorer for the Lakers (i.e. the second option). It is now Gasol. To say there is no scoring options is ridiculous and you can’t use the triangle offense to avoid that (that’s dumb).

It’s is apparent that you are in fact very dense and do not know how to use stats. You’re such an f’n idiot. Because you don’t know how to use facts, I am now convinced that you are probably a high school kid. You absolutely know nothing about basketball and the points you have made have no validity because you’re not backing up anything with facts. All kidding aside, do you realize how dumb you are (I mean it, you are not a smart person)?