Maybe for the Matrix? Sound-off in the comments and tell us what you think!
N.Y. Daily News: Lamar Odom had a rocky Finals and could be on his way out.
Odom’s old team, Miami, is seen as one potential destination. Pat Riley has always loved Odom and had him for a season before using him as a piece to get Shaquille O’Neal from the Lakers in 2004.
Update: According to this tidbit from HOOPSWORLD.COM, “Dan Fegan, agent for Heat forward Shawn Marion, said Sunday night it is ‘highly unlikely’ that his client will opt out of his $17.8 million for next season.”
Oh, and here’s another rumor speculation from the South Florida Sun-Sentinel…
The most amicable resolution with Marion should he not opt out would be a trade, with Los Angeles Lakers forward Lamar Odom, Los Angeles Clippers forward Elton Brand and Utah Jazz forward Carlos Boozer among the options. Marion would be eligible to be dealt as soon as Tuesday’s opt-out deadline passes.
Odom for Marion in the works?
TRADE RUMOR UPDATE: Miller/Collins for Odom not happening
Miami Herald: Lakers have taken the summer off
Kupchak Denies Odom/RJ Report
Heat interested in Marion for Artest; Wade would love reunion with Odom?
Load’em!
Is he a good defensive player? Never payed too much attention to him.
this is offensive to read. it is not going to happen. this is stupid.
Slow news day today.
marion is overrated
If you really think about it, Odom can do almost everything Marion does plus more. I’d rather have Odom over Marion anyday and i don’t think Marion would be the perfect fit for our 3 spot.
marion is a better defender than odom.
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a good 3 fit would be a shooter. thats why pj always starts radman. the 3 is there to help spread the floor along with the point. this is probably the biggest factor when we consider odom at the 3. i like odom–i think he’s done a lot for us. i also think he’s a lousy shooter. so i say either start odom and gasol and bring bynum off the bench, or trade odom. i just don’t see him at the 3 working out. that said, someone a few days ago mentioned something about acquiring mike miller. i personally think that would be awesome, given that he’s a proven shooter.
lol this is coming from ny daily news.
Marion for odom and another..
good deal!
Odom is not going anywhere. They made the finals, why would they trade arguably their 2nd best player? Face it, the big move of this offseason is wheather or not Sasha stays.
marion is way better than odom way more consistent, tougher, way better shooter can actually guard multiple positions, and he will dunk over and not do none of that fingerroll crap and just because you are 6′10 and can dribble the ball a little bit doesn’t mean you are a good ball handler I hate when people say that about lamar all he does is go left up the floor a good ball handler can go either way, but I would rather get mike miller because then we could let sasha go get someone else and and we would have a ray allen type shooter on our team and someone else who is tough
If he had proper shooting mechanics and didn’t have an inflated ego, he would be the perfect option. But he doesn’t.
If Odom stays, he should be working on his strength, speed, going right hand, and outside shooting. Once he does that, no more trade rumors.
Heat Trading Wade Afterall?
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9164
Several weeks ago a rumor was floated that the Heat might trade Dwyane Wade to the Chicago Bulls, but that was quickly stamped out by Pat Riley and the Heat. Now, however, the rumor is beginning to take new shape and regain its life. The Bulls have been trying to find a taker for Tyrus Thomas, and the latest rumor has them sending him to Miami along with Larry Hughes and the first pick in the draft for Wade. How likely is it? It would seem to be more likely that the Heat draft Mayo to play alongside Wade, especially since they’re in negotiations to keep Shawn Marion around long-term. That’s not something you do if you’re completely starting over with the top two picks in the draft.
Another rumor has the Lakers talking about sending Lamar Odom to Miami for Marion, hoping that Marion can teach the rest of the Lakers to play the kind of defense he did as a member of the Phoenix Suns. It would be unfortunate for Odom, but after a year his contract would come off the Heat’s books and they could continue rebuilding in a serious way next summer. Marion would definitely look nice in Lakers purple.
-Miami is looking to trade Dwayne Wade to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas & Larry Hughes. That means Miami is looking for a Forward & Guard.So Instead of Odom for Marion, how about Odom & Farmar + 2nd round pick for Dwayne Wade? Hell, we can even throw in the rights to Sun Yue!
Think about this lineup once we acquire Wade:
PG Fisher/Wade/Vujacic
SG Wade/Vujacic/Ariza
SF Kobe/Ariza/Radman/Walton
PF Gasol/Turiaf/Radman
C Bynum/Gasol/Mihm
Think about it. Wade can play backup Point Guard or start as Shooting Guard. Then we can slide Kobe to Small Forward. Problem solved! Am I a GENIOUS, or am I a GENIOUS? What say YOU??????
Gasol pipe x 10! Hoopsworld sucks too.
We wont get Wade!!!
Mike Miller is more likely!
we just need a peja type shooter and mike miller is that
marion is the perfect fit for the lakers.look at where t e suns right now.he is better than odom he’s best fitted to the lakers run n gun that is he’s game he can also pass and shoot and dunk in your face better than odoms untrusted one on one game.plus matrix can alley oops.alley oops is one offense that is not easy to defend and lakers are of the team that has too many talent on that (bynum/ariza/turiaf/kobe)and even gasol except odom there is a times that kobe,fish or any guards throw an oops to odom he eventually miss it or do it on an oops lay in what a crap.plus matrix is an consistent player.try watching some videos.and matrix also can play defense .so pls.mitch do it no chance for ron and also Rj can be the last option.go to nba.com and make some player comparison.
WHOO.
I’ll definitely do this.
according to http://hoopshype.com/players/shawn_marion.htm?nav=page he is underrated
Lol just give us wade
why not try LO at the 3 in training camp… what do we have to lose with that??,, lets wait and see how it works LO-pau-bynum frontcourt…
I’ll do this deal as long as we’ll have Marion for a lower salary. Plus, he and KB are also good friends. So this will be a very fun team to watch. Sorry Lamar, you can end your contract next year and come back to us by signing MLE.
We are set guys. We just need Artest. Now, Marion for Odom i will do in a hearbeat.
no trading LO
if we have marion, no need for ron artest.
hehehehe..
marion+kobe can surpass pippen/jordan
I cringe when I see Marions jumper.
Whoever said that Wade trade is a G.
Miami would get their future PG (Farmar), have Lamar Odom, Marion and whoever they draft.
Lakers would have a line up of
Fisher/Sun Yue
Wade/Sasha
Kobe/Ariza/Luke
Pau/ Vlad
Bynum/Turiaf
Wowzers
…take it! trade Marion for Odom + Luke/Vlad (that’s the only way we can ship either one of those) ..salaries match if I’m not mistaken.
If mitch can pull that off that would be great…
i doubt this will happen. if they get beasely, they will be looking for a pg
Draft Night could be exciting
if teams start pulling triggers on deals
I can’t believe that some of you actually have a negative feeling about trading Marion for Odom. The Matrix is a legit All - Star. He can defend, shoot and create for himself better than Odom. Talent wise Odom is slightly better at rebounding but with Bynum and Gasol I wouldn’t really worry too mucha about that. Mitch, if you can do this get it done.
The trade doesn’t make any sense. I could see potentially why they lakers might consider it, but it makes not sense for Miami at all. Is miami looking to resign Marion or let his contract expire to clear cap space? If they are =looking to do the other (which makes sense since moving shaq was for Marion was for clearing money), then the trade makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I’d love to have Marion on this squad. Kobe/Marion will create so many mismatches. Not to mention the defensive presence he brings.
marion wants 18-20 mil range and long contract no way the lakers can afford him. plus marion is a cancer. the man was not happy because he was not gettin enough love from phoenix when they were top of the west. what makes you think he will be happy being second fiddle to kobe, pau, bynum. if the lakers can get gerald wallace you get a physical defender great rebounder and tough guy that can create his own shot. or get mike miller to drop 3s left and right when teams double off kobe and pau.
No way I would do this. Sure Marion is a better defender than Odom. But he is undersized and limited offensively. In a offense where ball movement, outside shooting and being able to create off the dribble is key, Marion does not fit. Lamar can create mismatches at any position. Marion cannot take a lawn chair off the dribble. Odom is the perfect fit at the 3/point forward for the Lakers. he plays so well with Gasol and it will translate into playing well with Bynum. We dont need any changes.
I keep seeing people write that Marion is a good shooter. But that is completely ignoring the facts. Marion is not a good shooter, never has been and never will be. He shoots about the same as Odom. But he does finish better around the rim and he is a better offensive rebounder.
This trade does make sense for both teams and contractually it would work because Marion is set to make $17M next year and Odom $14M, so from a salary perspective it works
1: For the Lakers: It works because the Lakers are looking for a better perimeter shooter. Let’s face it, Odom it not a good outside shooter. I’m not saying the Marion is a fantastic shooter (his stats don’t prove it), but I remember how Marion would sit out on the corners and Nash would feed him the ball and BANG, Marion would hit it. Marion is also a better slasher than LO (that’s just my opinion).
Also, Marion is a better perimeter defender than LO. LO’s strength has really been his rebounding, but with Bynum coming back, which ultimately moves LO to the 3, LO will be further away from the rim to get rebounds.
Finally, this makes sense for the Lakers because Marion, like LO, has an expiring contract (an even bigger expiring contract at $17M). The Lakers are over the salary cap and probably want to have a major expiring contract at the end of next year, especially since they will eventually have to extend Bynum.
2. For the Heat: This would make sense because they need a power forward. Also, this makes sense for the Heat because they too want an expiring contract, which is what LO is.
We’ll see. I am mixed about. Sure Marion is a better finisher. Better defender (perimeter and inside). Better shooter… He moves much better WITHOUT the ball which I like and honestly, I think he could be a great adddition.
The loss of rebounding still concerns me a bit.
personally, i would like to see how bynum/gasol/odom work together before we consider making any changes to the team.
Lakers 1st - everything u say makes sense.
BUT, LO is a type of guy who would take a cut to play with LA - so at the end of next year, we may just have LO at his actual worth of 7-9 mil for several more years . . . whereas, Marion wants max (always) - max money, max attention - (lalaland hit it on the head - Marion was miserable on a “happy” team in PHX)
You finaly make a great point. I totally agree…
Odom Farmar and 2009 1st rd pick for Wade
If Odom plays the rest of his career as he did when Pau Gasol first came.. I’d love to keep him and never trade him. But he’s been inconsistent >_<.
I really wouldn’t know what to do.. most likely keep him. And I thought Mitch Kupchack apologized to Odom for the newspaper article of trading him? Meaning that he won’t get traded..?
I LOVE LAMAR ODOM- dont get me wrong
but the lakers need a bonafide SF
FACT: MARION IS A BETTER 3 THAN ODOM
Lets face it, Odom hasn’t exactly panned out or meshed well with Kobe
Hold up…wait a damn minute,ya’know it’real how one week they’re NOT TRADING LO now it’s another rumor LO might go to Miami for Marion(cost too much).Now I love his game but I’d rather have RJ(Richard Jefferson,he’s cheaper and has a better jumpshot)and when It’s time for his contract to restructed he won’t put any controversy about why wants get out,I mean,we have to factor in that with the ‘GetArtest’ campaign…..WHEN IT’S ALL SAID AND DONE,these guys want money and some guys want CHAMPIONSHIPS.
I was thinking last night when your younger your hunger is to prove that you belong in the league when you get older you start thinkin’(NOW-A-DAYS) GET THAT MONEY,here’s where I give Bynum,Kobe and Garnett MAJOR PROPS ’cause all they want to do is WIN A ‘CHIP.That’s what seperates GOOD PLAYERS FROM LEGENDS,R.I.P. WILT!!!
Remember when the Matrix said he was unhappy in Pho because of too many trade rumors. Now he’s in trade rumors in Miami, i wonder how he feels about that.
Don’t think anything is gonna happen. Miami has the #2 pick in the draft. And Miami is going to be a lot better this year than last year. That will be a very young team with a very young coach.
Finally!! I have made some great points in other blogs.
Trading LO for Marion would basically be “renting” Marion for one year and seeing how the “marion experiement” goes.
If it goes well, then the Lakers could resign Marion after next season, not necessarily for max money, but they would make him an offer and if Marion does turn it down, the Lakers will be under the salary cap where they could offer Ariza an extension (he is a free agent after next season) or even go after a free agent such as Ron Artest (he will be an unrestricted free agent if he does not opt-out of his contract this summer) or even LO (yes LO again), as he would be an unrestricted free agent next summer.
However, don’t be surprised if Riley dangles Marion and his expiring contract (should he NOT opt-out) to the clippers for Elton Brand. When Elton Brand was a restricted free agent, he signed an offer sheet from Miami that the Clippers matched. Miami obviously needs a power forward and Elton Brand is a bad a**.
How is RJ cheaper than Marion? Marion has one year left on his contract ($17M) where as RJ has 3 years and $42M on his contract. Yea, Marion may want an extension after next summer of max money, but there’s no guarantee he’ll get it. In other words, with Marion, you’re not tying up money beyond next year. With RJ, you’d be tying up money for 3 years.
also, why do you give Kobe and KG credit? They didn’t take less money. Kobe deservedly took the max contract. Now if Kobe opts-out of his contract after next season, which he can do, and resigns with the Lakers for less money, thereby freeing up money, then I would agree with you.
As for KG, he didn’ take less money as he signed a $100M contract with Boston. KG is going to make $24.7M next year, which I think is the highest paid NBA player for next year.
artest is the only thing we need. he can score, play defense, shoot the tre and most importantly, we need his toughness. i love lamar like i loved eddie jones, but he’s gotta go. either that, or come off the bench and play with the second unit because lamar is a bum.
fisher
kobe
artest
gasol
bynum
omg!
ARTEST IS A DIRTY THUG
PLAIN AND SIMPLE
All we need to do is add Artest to the mix at SF, and bring Odom off the bench as a six man.
Odom for Mike Miller and JCritt. JCritt is better at getting the hoop than Farmar and he has a nice tear drop shot going.
That’s exactly what we need.
You may be right but I’d still take RJ and would give him WHATEVER he wants….even if that means paying him,what is it,42M….HERE YOU GO MY BROTHER,as long as he’s happy and helping us win ‘chips,I DON’T GIVE A DAMN!
I watched for 3 yrs. how RJ name came up in trades talks and always said the same thing,”I’ll be good wherever I’m at”.Marion on the other hand WILL NOT TAKE MLE(SURPRISE ME),NO WAY,HELL NO and they call Kobe selfish.This guy kept whinin’ like a lil’ B-word and wanted the Suns to trade him IMMEDIATELY then to make matters worse he fights with Amare….NEWSFLASH:He is supposed to be co-captain,am I correct?
To be honest,I’d rather focus on the Players that WANNA WIN ‘CHIPS,take your pick:
Mickael Pietrus (3,470,771)
Kelenna Azubuike (687,456,waaaaaaay cheap)
Jamario Moon
Antawn Jamison
Ryan Gomes(another guy with agood work ethic)
Grant Hill(Ariza’s best friend)
Sebstian Telfair
Etc.,Etc.,and…….Etc.
Too many guys to names besides the everyday GETARTEST,GETMARION AND NAME THE SITE THIS-N THAT,STOP!And that includes me too.Let’s just be smarter when talkin’ who the Lakers need(Money wise, it is a BUSINESS).
If he has to work on all that….why keep him? Put him on a hook as trade bait.
i’d rather trade LO for the 2nd pick rather than get marion
WRONG!!! KG did take less money. After the trade to Boston KG signed a 3 year contract extension of $51 million with around $8.5 million in trade bonuses. Big discount considering he was eligible to a 3 year extension worth $90 million including trade bonuses.
For salary-cap purposes, however, his salary in each of those years will jump by $1.75 million to account for the trade kicker, making it $23.75 million for 2007-08, $24.75 million for 2008-09, $16.4 million for 2009-10, $18.8 million for 2010-11 and $21.2 million for 2011-12.) Come on LakersFirst do your research!!!
Correction $8.8 million trade kicker spread out over 5 years.
first of all forget mike miller the guy cant play defense if his life depends on it,second forget marion cost way too much money. i rather keep Lamar. and resign sasha sorry turiaf as much as i like u i dont think they can afford u plus where were u in the playoffs?
pg: fisher/farmar
sg:kobe/sasha
sf:lamar/ariza/rad/luke
pf:pau/lamar/rad
c:bynum/pau/mihm
plus ressign mbenga he was cheap plus seemed like he played way better then mihm.
No D*ckhead you’re wrong!!! Firt of all do your math right, his 3 year contract extension is worth $56.2M, so how you got the $51M extension in your previous paragraph is beyond me (you probably just copied and pasted it from an article you read). DO YOUR RESEARCH!!
Secondly, yes he was eligble for a 3-year $90M extension, that had he got it, would have kicked in starting the 09/10 season, when KG would’ve been 33 years old! KG will be 33 years old starting the 09/10 season, do you really think an NBA team is going to pay a 33 year old player $30M per year over three years (Shaq didn’t even get that deal even though he wanted it)? Use your brain a**hole, you’re not signing for less when you were never going to get it in the first place (and you know his f’n agent told him that).
Had Garnett opted out of the final year of his contract (he gets paid $23M in that final year - i.e. next season + $1.75M trade kicker), which he could’ve done before signing his 3-year extension, and re-signed for less money, then you have an argument, but the fact is, HE NEVER OPTED OUT OF HIS FINAL YEAR, WHICH IS WHY HE IS GETTING PAID $24.75M this coming season ($23M + $1.74M trade kicker).
He never opted out of anything idiot, he just signed an extension for less than the max, which he would never have gotten anyways.
Okay LakersFirst pay attention because I’m only gonna show you once.
$56.20 mil
-$ 5.25 mil ($1.75 trade kicker x 3 years)
=$50.95 mil
rounded up is $51 million
Anyway I never said anything about KG opting out. My point was he signed for less than the max. The whole issue with the KG trade, besides him not wanting to come there at first, was the C’s didn’t want him for a year & then he opts out. That’s the reason the extension was offered & YES KG could have got more. A certain Las Vegas C